Questions regarding the Fermi level of a metal

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the Fermi level in metals, including its relation to free electrons and the band theory of solids. Participants explore how to calculate the Fermi level, whether it is determined through equations or experiments, and delve into the nature of Cooper pairs and their resistance properties. The scope includes theoretical aspects and conceptual clarifications.

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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether electrons at the Fermi level are considered "free electrons" and inquire about the band theory of solids.
  • There is a discussion about the location of the Fermi level in relation to the valence and conduction bands, with some asserting that free electrons reside in the conduction band.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the calculation of the Fermi level, suggesting both theoretical equations and experimental methods may be involved.
  • One participant humorously notes that the bonus question about Cooper pairs may not relate directly to the main topic.
  • Some participants assert that Cooper pairs are special because they behave as bosons, while others seek clarification on why they do not experience resistance at low temperatures.
  • There are inquiries about the conditions under which Cooper pairs form and the nature of conduction and resistance in normal circumstances.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relevance of the Fermi level and its connection to band theory, but there are differing views on the specifics of free electrons, the calculation of the Fermi level, and the properties of Cooper pairs. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made by participants depend on specific definitions and assumptions regarding the Fermi level and band theory. There are also unresolved questions about the nature of conduction and resistance in relation to Cooper pairs.

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Hello,

Are the electrons at the fermi level regarded as the "free electrons" of the metal?

Also, how does one go about calculating the Fermi level? Is there an equation or is it experimentally determined?

*Bonus question*
Electrons that undergo phonon exchange and pair up are called "Cooper pairs". Why do these Cooper pairs not experience resistance? I have been looking all over the place for this answer and cannot find out why this is the case.
 
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heycoa said:
Hello,

Are the electrons at the fermi level regarded as the "free electrons" of the metal?
Do you know about the band theory of solids?
Which band corresponds to the "free" electrons in the metal?
Where is the fermi-level with regard to this band?

Also, how does one go about calculating the Fermi level? Is there an equation or is it experimentally determined?
Both.
Do you know the definition of "Fermi level"?

*Bonus question*
For whom? Is this homework?

Electrons that undergo phonon exchange and pair up are called "Cooper pairs". Why do these Cooper pairs not experience resistance? I have been looking all over the place for this answer and cannot find out why this is the case.
electrons form cooper-pair at low temperature.
how does conduction normally happen?
what is special about a cooper pair?
 
Hi, thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Yeah I know about band theory, and if I remember correctly there is a valence band and a conduction band and the Fermi level lies somewhere in between. I do not know where the free electrons are.

I also do know the definition of the Fermi level. Its where electrons reside at absolute zero... i.e. they obey the exchange principle so they don't condense, so there is this Fermi level which is the highest energy state that the electrons occupy.

as far as bonus question, I was making a joke because it doesn't really have anything to do with the title.

A cooper pair is a boson, that's what's special about it. I know how conduction normally happens. But I don't understand how at low temperature, cooper pairs don't feel any resistance.
 
The answers to your questions are rather complicated, so I imagine it will be a little bit hard for anyone to answer adequately in a single paragraph or two ;)

Do you have access to any of the standard physics textbooks? I seem to remember that Chapter 5 of "Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" by Griffiths is pretty accessible in terms of explaining the role of the Fermi level with regard to metals and charge carriers. Ashcroft and Mermin is my favorite solid-state physics book, and will give a more complete explanation. You might check that out, also.
 
heycoa said:
Hi, thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Yeah I know about band theory, and if I remember correctly there is a valence band and a conduction band and the Fermi level lies somewhere in between. I do not know where the free electrons are.
The free electrons are in the conduction band. Hence the name ;)

Since you know the band theory, you should know what is special about the valence and conduction bands in a conductor. This (and see below) tells you where the fermi level is.

JIC:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/band.html

I also do know the definition of the Fermi level. Its where electrons reside at absolute zero... i.e. they obey the exchange principle so they don't condense, so there is this Fermi level which is the highest energy state that the electrons occupy.
Close - the Fermi-level is the highest energy level occupied by the electrons at absolute zero. It's a matter of counting the states. Not all electrons are at the Fermi level.

as far as bonus question, I was making a joke because it doesn't really have anything to do with the title.
Fair enough. The questions you ask can show up as part of assignments.

A cooper pair is a boson, that's what's special about it. I know how conduction normally happens. But I don't understand how at low temperature, cooper pairs don't feel any resistance.
Please describe how conduction normally happens and how resistance normally occurs.
The idea here is that it helps me know how to answer your questions effectively.

Under what conditions do Cooper pairs form?
Why is it special that a cooper-pair acts as a boson?

It looks to me like your reading is incomplete all right.
What education level do you need these replies at?

Note: the difficulty in providing potted answers is the reason I am, instead, trying to guide your reading and thoughts by asking questions back at you.
 

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