Questions Regarding the Photoelectric Effect

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, specifically addressing pre-lab questions related to energy, potential difference, and the behavior of electrons when exposed to different frequencies of light. Participants explore the relationships between energy, work function, and kinetic energy in the context of a phototube experiment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy required for electrons to escape the cathode and the relationship between potential difference and electric potential energy. They question the definitions and relationships involved in the equations presented, particularly regarding the work done on charges and the kinetic energy of electrons. There is also exploration of how to determine the applied voltage needed to stop electrons ejected by different frequencies of light.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and clarifying misunderstandings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of potential difference and energy relationships, and there is a collaborative effort to refine the understanding of the questions posed.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a pre-lab assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There is an emphasis on understanding the underlying physics concepts rather than arriving at definitive answers.

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Homework Statement


We are performing a lab on the photoelectric effect tomorrow and have some pre-lab questions.

1: If an electron must use an energy equal to the work function of the phototube cathode, in order to escape the cathode's surface, how much kinetic energy does it have once it escapes?
2: What is the energy required for an electron of charge -e to travel across a potential difference of -V?
3: IF there are two frequencies of light with v_1> v_2>0, in a light beam shining on a phototube whose work function is x_0 at what level of applied voltage across the phototube will all the electrons which received a photon of frequency v_2 and v_1 be stopped? Which of these voltages are greater?

Homework Equations



c = wavelength * frequency
E=hv, h=plancks constant

The Attempt at a Solution



My answers/guesses:

1:
Energy = hv-work function where v is the frequency. This seems simple enough to me, but I have not studied this in quite some time, so I was looking for confirmation here.
2: E=V/d where d is the separation. So this would mean V=E*d and since #1, we see V=(hv-workfunction)*d.
3: Since equation in answer 2 shows us that the higher the frequency the higher the voltage, we conclude that the voltage for v_1 is greater. Not sure how to answer the part on applied voltage...
 
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OK for part 1. In part 2, the symbol "E" in the equation E = V/d does not stand for energy. You'll need to recall the correct relationship between potential difference and electric potential energy.
 
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I see, I see. That is a good catch on your part.

Let's try this from scratch.

Potential Difference = W/Q where W = work done Q = per unit charge.

We say potentital difference = -V=W/(-e)
So we can say the answer to 2 is V=W/e

Would you agree? Is it that simple?
 
Question 2 asks for the energy required. Did you write an expression for the energy required?
 
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Oi, this is not good! You are absolutely correct.

But it shouldn't be too hard from my answer.

eV=W
Work is made up of the kinetic energy, so we could use the answer in problem one to assist us here.
eV = (hv-workfunction)
Or just eV = E
 
Right. The energy needed is (-e)(-V) = eV.
 
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That makes sense. Any words of advice on this: "at what level of applied voltage across the phototube will all the electrons which received a photon of frequency v_2 and v_1 be stopped? "
 
Which will have more kinetic energy: electrons kicked out by photons of frequency ν1 or electrons kicked out by photons of frequency ν2? You will need a voltage that can stop the most energetic electrons.
 
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The higher the frequency, the more energy is needed!
So v_1>v_2, thus v_1 will require greater energy.
 
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OK. The wording of question 3 is a little confusing to me. I would work out the voltage V1 required to stop electrons that are kicked out by photons of frequency ν1 and also work out the voltage V2 required to stop electrons that are kicked out by photons of frequency ν2.

It seems that the first question in part 3 is asking for a single voltage that will stop all of the electrons ejected by either frequency. The second question in part 3 seems to be asking for the two individual voltages.
 
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I agree with your assessment.
We just had the lab, it was successful. Your help had solidified my understanding of the (simple) mathematical operations involved here.
 
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Great! Hope you enjoyed the lab.
 
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