Interpreting I-V graphs in Photoelectric effect

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The discussion revolves around interpreting I-V graphs in the context of the photoelectric effect, specifically examining the relationship between light frequency and photocurrent at various applied voltages.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of varying light frequencies on photocurrent, questioning the common assertion that frequency only affects the maximum kinetic energy of electrons. They consider the behavior of photocurrent in the linear region of the I-V graph compared to the saturation region.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of how increased frequency might influence photocurrent, particularly in the context of space-charge effects and the conditions under which electrons reach the anode. Some participants have provided insights into the dynamics of electron movement and the impact of applied voltage on photocurrent.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that discussions often focus on maximum photocurrent in the saturation region, potentially overlooking behaviors in the linear region. There is also mention of the effects of space-charge and the conditions under which electrons may or may not contribute to the photocurrent.

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Homework Statement


In photoelectric effect I-V graphs, for the same intensity but with different light frequencies (f2>f1), the I-V graph has the same max photocurrent but |Vs2| > |Vs1|. If we concentrate between the cutoff and the saturation regions of the I-V graph, we can see that at any given applied voltage, the photocurrent from the case with light freq f2 is higher than that with f1. Seems the saying increase freq only increases max KE but not the photocurrent cannot explain this observation.

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I know that there are lost of discussions in this and other forums about frequency only increase KE of liberated electrons but not the photocurrent. However, it seems to me that they are talking about the max photocurrent, i.e. the saturation region of the I-V graph but not the "linear" region of the I-V graph. Could the photocurrent for f2 higher than f1 due to the fact that space-charge still exist in this region and therefore the probability of an electron arriving at anode increases with increased KE (specially when the applied voltage is negative)?
 

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If you think of I in terms of dq/dt what does that tell you about the the relationship between current and the speed of a charge?

AM
 
Curious12345 said:
I know that there are lost of discussions in this and other forums about frequency only increase KE of liberated electrons but not the photocurrent. However, it seems to me that they are talking about the max photocurrent, i.e. the saturation region of the I-V graph but not the "linear" region of the I-V graph. Could the photocurrent for f2 higher than f1 due to the fact that space-charge still exist in this region and therefore the probability of an electron arriving at anode increases with increased KE (specially when the applied voltage is negative)?
Yes, the maximum KE of the liberated electrons increase with the frequency of the light, but they have to reach the anode to contribute to the photocurrent. If the anode is at high enough negative potential, the electrons lose the KE when they travel away from the cathode and fall back into it. Even at zero or low positive applied voltage , there is a space charge region, where the electrons are attracted back to the cathode, and only the fastest reach the anode. At high enough positive potential of the anode, all the liberated electrons can leave the neighborhood of the cathode and we get the saturation current. With increasing frequency of light, the average KE of the electrons becomes higher, and more of them can get over the space-charge region, as you said.
 
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Andrew Mason said:
If you think of I in terms of dq/dt what does that tell you about the the relationship between current and the speed of a charge?

AM
Hi Andrew, Thanks for replying. In terms of rate of change of charge, it doesn't explained why higher frequency gives higher photocurrent when the applied voltage is between the stopping voltage and saturation voltage.
 

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