Quick Analysis Problem - Related to properties of cont functions

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The problem involves determining whether a specific set defined by a continuous function f: R → R is guaranteed to be closed. The set in question is A = {x in R | 0 <= f(x) <= 1}.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various functions to explore the properties of the set A, including attempts with f(x) = 1/(x^2 + 1) and f(x) = sin(x). Questions arise about the nature of closed sets and the implications of infinite unions of closed sets.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different functions and their implications on the set A. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of continuous functions and the nature of unions of closed sets, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through definitions and properties of closed sets in the context of continuous functions, questioning assumptions about the nature of unions and intersections of sets.

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Quick Analysis Problem -- Related to properties of cont functions

Homework Statement



This problem assumes that f: R ----> R is continuous on all of R. I need to determine if the following set is guaranteed to be closed, regardless of f(x).

A = {x in R | 0 <= f(x) <= 1}



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The Attempt at a Solution



Ok so I have tried for a while to come up with a counter example. My first idea was to let f(x) = 1/ x^2 + 1, but then A = R which is closed and doesn't help my case. My next idea was to let f(x) = sinx, but then A is an infinite union of closed intervals on R, which I believe is a closed set.

I cannot think of any counter-example, so I'm guessing A will be guaranteed to be closed, but I cannot really get a formal proof started. Any idea?
 
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Take f(x)=x. Then A is not open...


Also note that an infinite union of closed sets is not necessairly closed. You mentioned that, but it is incorrect.
 


Hi again micromass. So I mis-typed this originally; I meant to say that I need to decide whether it is guaranteed to be closed. The first part of the question was whether it was open or not, and I used the same function you just mentioned to answer that.

And also, won't any infinite union of closed disjoint intervals in R be closed, because the complement will be an infinite union of open intervals, and thus open?
 


Oh, I see.

Well do you know that a function is continuous if and only if for every open set G holds that f^{-1}(G) is open??

As for the second part. The complement of an infinite union of closed sets is an infinite intersection of open sets, and this is not guaranteed to be open.
But if you take the infinite union of DISJOINT closed sets, then it is indeed closed. But not for the reason you stated...
 

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