Quick clarification on equation of motion

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The discussion revolves around the equations of motion, specifically in the context of a box being pushed by a force and the subsequent calculations of distance traveled under acceleration. The subject area includes kinematics and dynamics, focusing on the relationships between force, mass, acceleration, and displacement.

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  • Participants explore various equations of motion, questioning the validity of certain formulas in the context of accelerated motion. There is an attempt to derive relationships between distance, velocity, and acceleration, with some participants expressing confusion over the application of these equations in different scenarios.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the use of specific equations, particularly in relation to initial and final velocities. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes made in the application of formulas, and a new understanding is developing around the correct use of equations for different motion scenarios.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of positive and negative values for velocity and acceleration, especially in the context of motion up an incline. There is also a recognition of the constraints imposed by homework rules, which may limit the exploration of certain concepts.

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A 900N force acts on a 5kg box in horizontal direction initially at rest. When V=6m/s the force stops.
Through what distance was the block pushed.

I said this:
F=ma
v=x/t ---> t=x/v (1)
a=v/t (2)
combine (1) and (2)
a=v^2/x
So x=v^2/a

That is the same as angular circular motion.

Then there is
x=0.5at^2
With t=x/v
x=0.5a(x/v)^2
1=0.5ax/v^2
2=ax/v^2
x=(2v^2)/a

Where am I screwing up?

Thank you for your time.
 
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v = x/t is valid only for non-accelerated motion, which is not the case here.

a = v/t is correct.
 
Thank you for your response Voko :)

I'm an idiot.
This is why I feel hesitant to help people on short notice (after being woken up no less!) because I get all overwhelmed and want to make sure everything is perfect and my mind starts making stupid mistakes.
So the equation x=(2v^2)/a needs to be reworked because I used v=x/t again.
 
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so x=v^2/(2a)..

x=(at^2)/2

so t=v/a
 
So for going up an incline with friction,

It has an initial known KE, thus v

a comes from Fnet=ma

Fnet=u(mg)cos(60)+(mg)cos(60)

Then x=v^2/(2a)
So x is the displacement up the incline correct?

Why is mind getting on the fact that velocity is positive and a is negative? but displacement shouldn't be negative
 
The formula you derived in #4 is valid for motion from rest till some given velocity. In #5, however, it is the other way around.
 
voko said:
The formula you derived in #4 is valid for motion from rest till some given velocity. In #5, however, it is the other way around.
I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by other way around.But for #5 up the incline, wouldn't it be x=[(vf2)-(vi2)]/(2a)

So negative v on top, negative a on bottom. That takes care of the negative.

But I still don't understand if this can be used to find x up an incline. What is the other way around?
 
The other way around is you start with non-zero velocity, and end up with no velocity. The new formula you have is the correct one, it gives you the correct sign of the displacement.
 
Ok I see what you're saying now..

Thank you very much!
 

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