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The problem involves a car traveling at a constant speed of 80 km/hr and a policeman who accelerates from rest to catch up with the car. The discussion centers around the distances covered by both the car and the policeman during the pursuit, particularly focusing on the time and distance involved in the policeman's acceleration to 100 km/hr.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the lead distance of the car when the policeman reaches 100 km/hr and question how this lead affects the pursuit. There are discussions about the distances covered during different phases of the policeman's acceleration.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning assumptions about the distances traveled by both the car and the policeman, with some providing calculations and others challenging those calculations. There is an ongoing examination of the correct application of kinematic equations and the understanding of uniform acceleration.

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There is a focus on the misunderstanding of the policeman's speed during the initial acceleration phase, with references to the SUVAT equations for uniform acceleration. Participants are clarifying the conditions of the problem and the implications of the policeman's varying speed.

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Homework Statement


A car traveling with a constant speed of 80km/hr passes a stationary motorcycle policeman. The policeman sets off in pursuit, accelerating uniformly to 80km/hr in 10 seconds and reaching a constant speed of 100km/hr in a further 5 secs. At what time will the policeman catch up with the car.

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I figure if they catch up to each other, then assuming they began from the same point then their displacement will be equal to each other. Thus I did, the speeding car was doing 80km in one hour, and the cop was doing 100 km in one hour. Thus the cop would reach 80km displacement in 48 mins. (0.8 x 60 mins)
 
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AviationFanBoy said:
the cop would reach 80km displacement in 48 mins.
How did you determine that 80km was the appropriate displacement?
Hint: how much lead does the motorist have when the cop first reaches 100km/h?
 
15 secs before he reaches 100km/hr. So then what?
 
AviationFanBoy said:
15 secs before he reaches 100km/hr. So then what?
I mean lead as a distance.
 
haruspex said:
I mean lead as a distance.
333m. As 80km/hr = 22m/s (80/3.6) = 22m/s.
Thus, 15 secs = 333.3 (infinite) meters.
 
AviationFanBoy said:
333m. As 80km/hr = 22m/s (80/3.6) = 22m/s.
Thus, 15 secs = 333.3 (infinite) meters.
That's how far the car goes in 15 seconds, but the cop is not standing still.
 
haruspex said:
That's how far the car goes in 15 seconds, but the cop is not standing still.

The car has a 333m lead over the policeman. Thats what you asked?
 
AviationFanBoy said:
The car has a 333m lead over the policeman. Thats what you asked?
333m is the lead he would have had if the policeman had not given chase. Where is the cop after 15 seconds?
 
After 15 seconds he is traveling at 100 km/hr and has traveled 360m. As for the first 10 seconds he covers 222m as he is traveling at 80km/hr, and for the next 5 seconds he travels at 100km/hr covering 138m thus after 15 secs the cop is 360meters from the starting position.
 
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AviationFanBoy said:
As for the first 10 seconds he covers 222m as he is traveling at 80km/hr.
No he isn't - read the question again.
 
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Sorry, he covers 416 meters in the 15 seconds. As 100/3.6 = 27.8 x15 = ~416m.
 
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AviationFanBoy said:
Sorry, he covers 416 meters in the 15 seconds. As 100/3.6 = 27.8 x15 = ~416m.
Pay attention! The cop is not moving at uniform speed. For the first 10 seconds he accelerates uniformly from 0 to 80km/h. Do you know the SUVAT equations? These can be used for uniform (i.e. constant) acceleration.
 
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Yes, i know them. How are they linked though. I reliaze he accelerates at different rates from 0 to 10 then 10 to 15 seconds. Hence why I said, After 15 seconds he is traveling at 100 km/hr and has traveled 360m. As for the first 10 seconds he covers 222m as he is traveling at 80km/hr, and for the next 5 seconds he travels at 100km/hr covering 138m thus after 15 secs the cop is 360meters from the starting position.
 
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AviationFanBoy said:
As for the first 10 seconds he covers 222m as he is traveling at 80km/hr
No he isn't! Why do you keep asserting that when I have already pointed out that it is wrong?
He starts at 0 km/h, and only reaches 80km/h at the end of the 10 seconds. He does not travel at 80km/h for 10 seconds.
In the usual form, there are five SUVAT equations, each involving four variables. Typically, you know the value of three, and you want to find a fourth, so pick the equation that involves those four variables.
What three values do you know here? What other variable do you want to determine? Which equation should you use?
 

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