Quick question about use of the Hessain for critical points

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The discussion revolves around finding critical points of the function x³ - 3x - y² + 9y + z² and evaluating them using the Hessian matrix. Participants are examining the implications of the eigenvalues derived from the Hessian in determining local maxima or minima.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of critical points and the evaluation of the Hessian matrix. There is a focus on the eigenvalues and their role in identifying local maxima or minima. Questions arise regarding the presence of a constant term in the Hessian and its impact on the classification of critical points.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the correctness of the critical points and the interpretation of the eigenvalues. Some suggest that there may be a typo in the problem setup, particularly concerning the z-coordinate's contribution. There is an acknowledgment that the Hessian is already diagonal, which may simplify the analysis.

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Participants note potential missing variables or contributions in the problem setup that could affect the outcome. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the existence of local maxima in the context of the given function.

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So I am solving for the critical points of x3-3x-y2+9y+z2



I've found the critical points and I'm just evaluating them in the Hessain. Now I computed the eigenvalues for the hessian, but one of my 2nd order derivatives was a constant. So my hessian looked like this (it was diagonal, so I'm only writing the diagonal terms)

(6x - λ), (-6y-λ), (2-λ)

Now all my C.P were of the form (±1,±√3,0)

So whatever eigenvalues I solve for I am always going to get λ=2, but in the solutions they said that a maximum existed at (-1,√3,0) but if I solve for the eigenvalues I will have λ = -6, λ = -6√3, λ = 2. So how is this a local max if they are not all negative. (long winded for short explanation I know)
 
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trap101 said:
So I am solving for the critical points of x3-3x-y2+9y+z2...



...Now all my C.P were of the form (±1,±√3,0)...

Is there a typo? I get y=9/2.
 
y2 is supposed to be y3...my bad
 
trap101 said:
So I am solving for the critical points of x3-3x-y2+9y+z2
I've found the critical points and I'm just evaluating them in the Hessain. Now I computed the eigenvalues for the hessian, but one of my 2nd order derivatives was a constant. So my hessian looked like this (it was diagonal, so I'm only writing the diagonal terms)

(6x - λ), (-6y-λ), (2-λ)

Now all my C.P were of the form (±1,±√3,0)

So whatever eigenvalues I solve for I am always going to get λ=2, but in the solutions they said that a maximum existed at (-1,√3,0) but if I solve for the eigenvalues I will have λ = -6, λ = -6√3, λ = 2. So how is this a local max if they are not all negative. (long winded for short explanation I know)

I think you're right, they may have just over looked the z contribution, could be a typo. Notice contribution from z has no local max, so I don't think there will be a local max anywhere in ℝ3.

Also, notice hessian is already diagonal, (6x,-6y,2), so it's not necessary to use eigenvalues to diagonalize it or find principal accelerations. In a sense, you're principal directions or eigenvectors are (dx,0,0), (0,dy,0), (0,0,dz). (Where we consider xTHx.) So x>0 and y<0 if and only if we have a local minimum (at a critical point).
 
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Ok. So that z co-ordinate should've had some sort of variable in it in order for the problem to "work out" the way it should, but for the most part I was on the right track. Thanks
 

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