Quick Surface Area and Application Question

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The discussion revolves around two mathematical problems: one concerning the surface area calculation using integration techniques and the other related to cardiac output using Simpson's Rule. Participants explore various methods and substitutions to solve these problems, sharing their thought processes and challenges.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the surface area formula and the u-substitution used, indicating uncertainty about the next steps in the calculation.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the surface area calculation, including derivatives and substitutions, but does not conclude the solution.
  • A participant acknowledges the previous response as insightful, suggesting engagement with the ongoing discussion.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the second question regarding cardiac output, reiterating their previous calculation and asking for further assistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the surface area problem, as one participant is unsure about their approach while another provides a detailed method without concluding. The second question about cardiac output remains unresolved, with participants seeking additional input.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps in both problems, particularly regarding the surface area calculation and the application of Simpson's Rule for cardiac output. Participants express uncertainty about their methods and results.

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For the first one, I'm completely dumbfounded. I used the SA formula for and ended up getting 2 $π\int_{π/6}^{0} \, cos2x * √1+4sin(2x)^2 ) $
And took u = sin2x, ultimately giving me $ π\int_{√3/2}^{0} \,d (1+ 4u^2)^(1/2) $

I'm lost as to what to do next. I'm almost definite that my u-substitution is incorrect.

Also for the second one, I used the formula for cardiac output, which is mg/ $\int_{b}^{a} \,d $ , which gave me 78.533 by using the Simpson's Rule in the denominator with delta x = 2.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.
 
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For the first one, I'm completely dumbfounded. I used the SA formula for and ended up getting 2 $π\int_{π/6}^{0} \, cos2x * √1+4sin(2x)^2 ) $
And took u = sin2x, ultimately giving me $ π\int_{√3/2}^{0} \,d (1+ 4u^2)^(1/2) $

I'm lost as to what to do next. I'm almost definite that my u-substitution is incorrect.

Also for the second one, I used the formula for cardiac output, which is mg/ $\int_{b}^{a} \,d $ , which gave me 78.533 by using the Simpson's Rule in the denominator with delta x = 2.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

For the first one:

The formula is the following:
$$S= \int 2 \pi y ds , \ \text{ where } ds=\sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^2}dx$$

$\displaystyle{\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{\cos{(2x)}}{dx}=-2\sin{(2x)} }$

$\displaystyle{\sqrt{1+(\frac{dy}{dx})^2}=\sqrt{1+(-2\sin{(2x)} )^2}=\sqrt{1+4\sin^2{(2x)}}}$

So $$S=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{6}} 2 \pi y \sqrt{1+4\sin^2{(2x)}}dx=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{6}} 2 \pi \cos{(2x)} \sqrt{1+4\sin^2{(2x)}}dx$$

Set $u=\sin{(2x)}$, then:
when $x=0 \Rightarrow u=0$
when $x=\frac{\pi}{6} \Rightarrow u=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}$
$du=2 \cos{(2x)}dx$

$$S=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{6}} 2 \pi \cos{(2x)} \sqrt{1+4\sin^2{(2x)}}dx=\int_0^{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} \pi \sqrt{1+4u^2}du=\int_0^{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} \pi \sqrt{1+(2u)^2}du$$

Set $2u=\tan{w}$, then:
when $u=0 \Rightarrow w=0$
when $u=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} \Rightarrow \tan{w}=\sqrt{3} \Rightarrow w=\frac{\pi}{3}$
$2du=\frac{1}{\cos^2{w}}dw$

$$S=\int_0^{\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} \pi \sqrt{1+(2u)^2}du=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{3}} \frac{\pi}{2} \sqrt{1+\tan^2{w}}\frac{1}{\cos^2{w}}dw=\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{3}} \frac{\pi}{2} \sqrt{\frac{1}{\cos^2{w}}}\frac{1}{ \cos^2{w}}dw=\int_0^{ \frac{ \pi}{3}} \frac{\pi}{2} \frac{1}{ \cos^3{w}}dw=\frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{ \pi}{3}} \frac{\cos{w}}{ \cos^4{w}}dw=\frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{ \pi}{3}} \frac{\cos{w}}{ (1-\sin^2{w})^2}dw$$

Set $v=\sin{w}$, then:
when $w=0 \Rightarrow v=0$
when $w=\frac{\pi}{3} \Rightarrow v=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}$
$dv=\cos{w}dw$

$$S=\frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{ \pi}{3}} \frac{\cos{w}}{ (1-\sin^2{w})^2}dw=\frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} \frac{1}{ (1-v^2)^2}dv=\frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} \frac{1}{ (v^2-1)^2}dv= \\ \frac{\pi}{2} \int_0^{ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}} (\frac{A}{ (v-1)}+\frac{B}{v+1})^2dv$$

Calculate the values of $A$ and $B$ as followed:
$\displaystyle{\frac{A}{ v-1}+\frac{B}{v+1}=\frac{1}{(v-1)(v+1)}}$

Can you continue from here?
 
Excellent. Thank you for your insightful response.
 
Does anyone know the solution to the second question? I used the formula for cardiac output, which is mg/ ∫abd , which gave me 78.533 by using the Simpson's Rule in the denominator with delta x = 2.

Thanks.
 

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