Quickie: vector normal to surface

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The problem involves finding a vector normal to the surface defined by the equation z = x^2 + y^2 - 3 at a specific point in three-dimensional space. The context is centered around understanding gradients and their relationship to normal vectors on surfaces.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the concept of viewing the surface as a level surface of a function and explore the calculation of the gradient vector. There are questions about how to compute the magnitude of the gradient vector and its relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion has highlighted confusion regarding the calculation of the magnitude of the gradient vector, with some participants providing guidance on vector arithmetic. There is an acknowledgment of misunderstanding the focus on the magnitude of the surface rather than the gradient.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about basic vector arithmetic and its application to the problem at hand. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts being discussed.

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Homework Statement


Find vector normal to z = x^2 + y^2 - 3 at point r = (2, -1, 2)

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here is the markscheme. I understand how to find the gradient, but i don't understand how they calculated the magnitude.

thanks
 
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## z = x^2 +y^2 - 3 ## is satisfied by points that form a three dimensional surface, and it's helpful to view that surface as the level surface of some function. How about viewing it as the level surface ## f(x,y,z) = 0 ## for ## f(x,y,z) = z - x^2 - y^2 + 3 ##? Does that clarify things?
 
Geofleur said:
## z = x^2 +y^2 - 3 ## is satisfied by points that form a three dimensional surface, and it's helpful to view that surface as the level surface of some function. How about viewing it as the level surface ## f(x,y,z) = 0 ## for ## f(x,y,z) = z - x^2 - y^2 + 3 ##? Does that clarify things?

nope. Take the magnitude of the llevel surface?
 
ilyas.h said:
nope. Take the magnitude of the llevel surface?
What's the magnitude of the vector -4i + 2j + k ? This is the gradient vector at (2, -1, 2)
 
SteamKing said:
What's the magnitude of the vector -4i + 2j + k ? This is the gradient vector at (2, -1, 2)

how does that help? i need to know how to compute the magnitude.
 
ilyas.h said:
how does that help? i need to know how to compute the magnitude.
Good Lord, you're working gradient problems, but you've skipped basic vector arithmetic.

If V = ai + bj + ck, then |V| = (a2 + b2 + c2) 1/2

Also |V| = (VV)1/2, where ⋅ signifies the dot product of two vectors.
 
SteamKing said:
Good Lord, you're working gradient problems, but you've skipped basic vector arithmetic.

If V = ai + bj + ck, then |V| = (a2 + b2 + c2) 1/2

Also |V| = (VV)1/2, where ⋅ signifies the dot product of two vectors.

My fault all along. I was trying to calculate the magnitude of the surface instead of the magnitude of the gradient of the surface.

Yes i know how to calculate the magnitude of a vector thank you very much.

answered.
 

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