Radiation detector - cylindrical ionising chamber

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to a cylindrical ionizing chamber and the calculation of voltage in relation to electron energy. The original poster attempts to integrate an expression for electric potential and is seeking clarification on how to eliminate certain variables from the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of electric potential and the implications of various parameters such as charge, wire radius, and mean free path. There are questions regarding the significance of the wire radius and the total enclosed charge in determining the potential.

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Some participants have offered supportive feedback on the proposed approach, indicating a productive direction. However, there is still exploration of different interpretations and the need for further clarification on the variables involved.

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There is mention of specific dimensions such as the wire radius and the distance between the cathode and anode, which may influence the calculations. The original poster is also working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available for solving the question.

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Homework Statement
A cylindrical detector has a central anode and a cathode with a radius of 36.8 μm and 30 mm respectively. At what applied voltage will an electron which is at 6 mm from the centre get enough energy to ionise helium gas (Ie » 23 eV) when traveling a mean free path length of 1 mm.
Relevant Equations
E(r) = Q/(2πϵLr) for a line of charge where Q, L are the total charge and length enclosed by the chosen gaussian surface
C = Q/V
Energy = q*V
Let r = position of the electron = 6mm - 36.8μm; λ = mean free path traversed.

Integrate E(r) = Q/(2πϵLr) between the two shells gives:
V = [Q/(2πϵL)]*log(r/(r-λ))

I know that the question is asking for the voltage at which the electron energy will get to 23eV, but i am unsure how to get rid of L or Q in the expression for V ?

Thanks
 
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You haven't made use of the wire radius yet. Where is the charge and what does it mean for V on the outside of the wire ?

Edit: nor of the 30 mm... where V = ... :wink:
 
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BvU said:
You haven't made use of the wire radius yet. Where is the charge and what does it mean for V on the outside of the wire ?

Edit: nor of the 30 mm... where V = ... :wink:

The potential at the surface should be zero outside the surface since the total enclosed charge would be zero. Between the cathode and anode (outside the wire, inside the shell), the potential difference is:
V = [Q/(2πϵL)]*log(b/a)
where b=30mm and a=36.8μm

=> V/log(b/a) = [Q/(2πϵL)]

So perhaps i could substitute this into
ΔΦ = [Q/(2πϵL)]*log(r/(r-λ))
to get ΔΦ = V* [log(r/(r-λ)) / log(b/a)]
and solve for e*ΔΦ = 23 eV ?
 
Good plan ... !
 
BvU said:
Good plan ... !
Thanks heaps!
 

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