Radiation pattern of crt tv with small loop antenna

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the radiation pattern observed from a CRT TV using a small loop antenna, focusing on the differences in signal detection based on the orientation of the antenna. Participants explore the implications of these observations in terms of electromagnetic fields and probe construction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that holding the loop antenna vertically produces a solid spike at around 15 kHz, while a horizontal position yields multiple spikes, suggesting different field orientations.
  • Another participant proposes that the magnetic field is horizontal and the electric field is vertical, based on the behavior of the small loop antenna in relation to magnetic fields.
  • A later reply affirms that if the B-field loop probe is constructed correctly, it should detect the AC magnetic field caused by AC currents.
  • Participants discuss the construction and use of sniffer probes, with one mentioning the need for a preamp to make signals visible on a spectrum analyzer.
  • There is a suggestion that improper construction of the probe may lead to sensing a mix of AC B and E fields, which could complicate the measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the implications of their observations and the construction of probes, with no consensus reached on the correctness of the interpretations or the effectiveness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for E-field shielding to prevent capacitively-coupled signals from interfering with the probe signal, indicating potential limitations in their experimental setups.

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I was playing with an old crt TV and a small loop antenna earlier and noticed that when I hold the antenna vertically in front of the TV I get one solid spike at around 15 kHz. When I hold the antenna horizontally I get a multitude of spikes that are not there when I turn off the TV.

This suggests to me that the field lines in the space inside my antenna are oriented in such a way that the magnetic field is horizontal, and the electric field is vertical. This is since the small loop antenna is affected most by magnetic fields, and they must be passing through the loop to induce current. Is that correct?
 
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mishima said:
I was playing with an old crt TV and a small loop antenna earlier and noticed that when I hold the antenna vertically in front of the TV I get one solid spike at around 15 kHz. When I hold the antenna horizontally I get a multitude of spikes that are not there when I turn off the TV.

This suggests to me that the field lines in the space inside my antenna are oriented in such a way that the magnetic field is horizontal, and the electric field is vertical. This is since the small loop antenna is affected most by magnetic fields, and they must be passing through the loop to induce current. Is that correct?

Assuming the B-field loop probe (often called "sniffer" probes) is made correctly, then yes, you are sensing the AC magnetic field that is caused by AC currents. Here is a good intro to sniffer probe construction and use:

http://www.compliance-club.com/archive/old_archive/030718.htm

If you are not building the probe correctly, then you are sensing a mix of AC B & E fields, which is generally less useful.
 
Nice, thank you for the very cool link. Currently my antenna is about 50 turns of wire on a wooden frame, those small sniffer probes would be very fun to build/use as well.
 
mishima said:
Nice, thank you for the very cool link. Currently my antenna is about 50 turns of wire on a wooden frame, those small sniffer probes would be very fun to build/use as well.

The single-turn, E-field shielded B-field probes as shown in the article generally require a preamp of 20-40dB before the signal is visible on a spectrum analyzer. You might be able to E-field shield your multi-turn coil if you follow the overall tips in the paper. The E-field shielding is necessary to keep capacitively-coupled signals out of your probe signal.
 

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