Radio: How does a demodulator work?

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of demodulators or detectors in radios, specifically focusing on how they separate sound from carrier waves in both AM and FM signals. Participants also explore the role of components like coils and capacitors in radio circuits, particularly in relation to frequency and filtering.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek a layman's explanation of how demodulators work for both AM and FM signals.
  • One participant explains that a coil functions as an inductor and is part of a tuning circuit that can adjust the resonant frequency when paired with a capacitor.
  • There is confusion about how capacitors and diodes contribute to demodulation, with some participants asserting that diodes are essential for detecting AM audio from RF signals.
  • Participants discuss the role of capacitors as low pass filters, with questions about how they function and whether they only store charge at specific frequencies.
  • Some participants express frustration over the need for more foundational knowledge before tackling these concepts, suggesting that reading introductory materials may be beneficial.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit varying levels of understanding regarding demodulation techniques, with some expressing confusion about specific components and their functions. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple viewpoints exist regarding the roles of diodes and capacitors in the demodulation process.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate that a deeper understanding of basic electronics is necessary to grasp the concepts discussed, highlighting potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect comprehension of the topic.

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Can someone explain how a demodulator or detector for a radio works in layman's terms? It is the part of the radio that separates the sound from the carrier wave. For both am and fm. I would like to know how it actually does this.

Also, can someone explain how a coil in a circuit affects its frequency?
 
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I'll try the last question, it's the easiest. :smile:

A coil is what we use when we need an inductor. By itself, an inductor does not have a "frequency". A tuning circuit involves an inductor together with a capacitor, and one of these is usually made variable so that you can alter the circuit's resonant frequency. The frequency the combination tunes to is the frequency where the capacitor has an equal but opposite impedance to that of the inductor, so that if one of these is made variable, then the frequency of resonance is variable and you are able to tune your radio up and down the band listening for stations on different frequencies.
 
Johnleprekan said:
Can someone explain how a demodulator or detector for a radio works in layman's terms? It is the part of the radio that separates the sound from the carrier wave. For both am and fm. I would like to know how it actually does this.

Also, can someone explain how a coil in a circuit affects its frequency?

Wiki is usually a good source of first call for most information. Is there anything in this link that you need explaining more clearly? I don't think you can get more "layman's terms" than that.
 
Thank you for the link. I'm still a little confused on how the capacitor demodulates for am. The fm can be filtered by removing a certain frequency and I understand how that can be done.
 
Johnleprekan said:
Thank you for the link. I'm still a little confused on how the capacitor demodulates for am. The fm can be filtered by removing a certain frequency and I understand how that can be done.

The diode is the main device that does the demodulating ( detecting) of the AM audio from the RF signal. The capacitor in basic circuits can be done away with, but is often used as a low pass filter, allowing the lower frequency of the audio signal to pass through and stopping any of the higher RF frequencies from passing on to the ausio amplifier stages.

Dave
 
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Thank you for the link. I'm still a little confused on how the capacitor demodulates for am. The fm can be filtered by removing a certain frequency and I understand how that can be done.

It's not a capacitor, it's a diode that is used for the envelope detection of an AM signal.
 
What does the diode do exactly? From what I understand, diodes only allow electricity to pass one way and not the other.

How does the capacitor actually act as a low pass filter? Do capacitors only store charge at a certain frequency?

Is the same kind of circuit used to filter fm? What does the filtering for fm?

What is meant by phase shifting 90 degrees?
 
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What does the diode do exactly? From what I understand, diodes only allow electricity to pass one way and not the other.

How does the capacitor actually act as a low pass filter?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_detector

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Do capacitors only store charge at a certain frequency?

Is the same kind of circuit used to filter fm? What does the filtering for fm?

What is meant by phase shifting 90 degrees?

Your questions indicate that you may need some more basic background. There are a lot of good beginner books that teach the basics of electronics. My first book was "Getting Started In Electronics". But that was back in the 60's. The modern version is by a different author, so I haven't read that one.
 
Johnleprekan said:
What does the diode do exactly? From what I understand, diodes only allow electricity to pass one way and not the other.

How does the capacitor actually act as a low pass filter? Do capacitors only store charge at a certain frequency?

Is the same kind of circuit used to filter fm? What does the filtering for fm?

What is meant by phase shifting 90 degrees?

Please do us all a favor. Please use wikipedia to read more about your questions, and then if you are confused by what you read, please post your follow-up questions here with links to what you have read.

I know that you are trying to learn, but part of learning is learning how to learn. It is best to do lots of reading on your own first, before you ask others to help you understand. Learning how to learn is an important cornerstone of the PF. :smile:
 
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The very fact that you think you understand FM demodulation but not AM, demonstrates that you have a long way to go. You cannot just parachute half way into a subject like this and expect not to be totally lost. Start with the basics or you'll never get anywhere.
 

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