Radius of convergence derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the radius of convergence for power series, specifically addressing the conditions under which a series converges or diverges based on the limit of the ratio of coefficients. Participants explore the implications of the Ratio Test and clarify the relationship between the limit and the radius of convergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the expression for the radius of convergence, suggesting it should be |x - x_o| = L instead of |x - x_o| = 1/L.
  • Another participant points out that the limit should be taken as n approaches infinity, not as x approaches infinity, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the original statement.
  • A later reply emphasizes that if L > 1, the series diverges, and thus the radius of convergence cannot be discussed in that case.
  • One participant clarifies that the relevant ratio for the radius of convergence involves the n-th term of the series and that the limit of the ratio of coefficients leads to the conclusion that |x - x_0| < 1/L for convergence.
  • Another participant reiterates the conditions for convergence and divergence based on the limit of the ratio test, linking it back to the expression involving L.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct formulation of the radius of convergence, with some asserting that the original expression is incorrect while others provide clarifications based on the Ratio Test. The discussion remains unresolved as different interpretations of the limit and its implications are presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the series and the conditions under which the radius of convergence is derived. The dependence on the definitions of convergence and divergence is also noted, as well as the potential confusion surrounding the variable in the limit.

MathewsMD
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Hi,

I am likely just missing something fundamental here, but I recently just revisited series and am looking over some notes.

In my notes, I have written that if

## \lim_{x \to +\infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} = L ##

Then ## | x - x_o | = 1/L ##

But shouldn't the correct expression be $$ | x - x_o | = L $$ ?

Why is the radius of convergence 1/L instead of L? I was under the assumption since

## \frac{(x - x_o)^{n+1}} {(x-x_o)^n} = x - x_o ##

that this term (absolute value) would be less than and/or (possibly) equal to L? Are my notes inaccurate or is there a reason for R being 1/L?
 
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MathewsMD said:
I have written that if

## \lim_{x \to +\infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} = L ##
What does x have to do with a_n. Is a_n some function of x ?

Did you mean lim_{n\to\infty} ?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
What does x have to do with a_n. Is a_n some function of x ?

Did you mean lim_{n\to\infty} ?

Yes. Sorry, that's a typo. It is lim_{n\to\infty} as you noted.
 
It would be cleare if you started from the beginning. It is hard to guess the original statement of the situation.
 
MathewsMD said:
Hi,

I am likely just missing something fundamental here, but I recently just revisited series and am looking over some notes.

In my notes, I have written that if

## \lim_{x \to +\infty} \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} = L ##

Then ## | x - x_o | = 1/L ##
This doesn't make much sense. For starters, the limit should be as n changes, not x. More importantly, if L > 1, the series diverges, so it doesn't make any sense to talk about the radius of convergence.

The limit above appears in the Ratio Test. If L > 1, the series diverges. If L < 1, the series converges. If L = 1, the test isn't conclusive.
MathewsMD said:
But shouldn't the correct expression be $$ | x - x_o | = L $$ ?

Why is the radius of convergence 1/L instead of L? I was under the assumption since

## \frac{(x - x_o)^{n+1}} {(x-x_o)^n} = x - x_o ##
 
MathewsMD said:
## \frac{(x - x_o)^{n+1}} {(x-x_o)^n} = x - x_o ##

Apparently the series in question has the n-th term T_n = a_n (x - x0)^n. The ratio relevant to radius of convergence is \frac{T_{n+1}}{T_n} = \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \frac{(x-x_0)^{n+1}} {(x-x_0)^n}. If the ratio is to be 1 in the limit and the limit of \frac{ a_{n+1} } {a_n} is L as n approaches infinity then you need the ratio \frac {(x-x_0)^{n+1}} {(x-x0)^n} to be \frac{1}{L}.
 
The power series ##\sum\limits_{n=0}^\infty a_n(x-x_0)^n## converges, by the ratio test, when ##\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\left|\frac{a_{n+1}(x-x_0)^{n+1}}{a_n(x-x_0)^n}\right|<1## and diverges when ##\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\left|\frac{a_{n+1}(x-x_0)^{n+1}}{a_n(x-x_0)^n}\right|>1##.

After a bit of fiddling, you get that the power series converges when ##|x-x_0|<1/L## and diverges when ##|x-x_0|>1/L##, where ##L=\lim\limits_{n\rightarrow\infty}\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|##.
 

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