Raising a 70' Tower: Calculate Cable Force

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of cable force required to raise and lower a 70-foot self-supporting tower using a winch. Participants explore various factors affecting the force, structural integrity, and safety considerations involved in the lifting process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the need to check the tower's structure for loads imposed by the lifting cable and bending due to its self-weight during the raising process.
  • Another participant mentions the design of the tower being heavy-duty aluminum and intended for manual operation, but emphasizes the necessity of powered lifting due to lack of assistance.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of cable tie points, suggesting that a higher tie point or multiple cables could improve stability and reduce tension on the cable.
  • One participant calculates the cable tension based on the tower's weight and height, estimating a need for a winch and cable rated for at least two tonnes, while also considering side forces during erection.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the force on the base of the tower during lifting, suggesting that it could exceed the weight of the tower and potentially cause structural issues.
  • Participants discuss the need for adequate concrete footings to withstand wind loads and the importance of anchoring the tower correctly.
  • One participant provides a theoretical calculation of the tensile force on the cable, suggesting that real-world conditions may lead to higher forces than initially estimated.
  • Concerns are raised about the structural integrity of the antenna and the potential for stress concentrations at specific points during lifting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the best practices for lifting the tower, with no clear consensus on the optimal methods or calculations. Multiple competing perspectives on safety, structural integrity, and cable force remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions in their calculations, such as the nature of the tower (triangular vs. square), the angle of the cable during lifting, and the need for additional support structures. The discussion does not resolve these assumptions or their implications.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in tower construction, lifting techniques, structural engineering, and safety considerations in mechanical systems may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
I really do not like using one 7' pole as the lever.

Without a crane, I would prefer to use two shear legs with a block and tackle, (B&T).
The shear legs could be 20' long steel pipe. The tower attachment would be at the 10' point where the lowest two sections meet. The shear legs would be seated 10' down range from the hinge line with the crotch about 6' up range of the tower. Raise the crotch of the shear legs to the tower using the B&T. Remove the remaining bolt from the free tower leg. Push the tower to tension the B&T. Then lower the tower by paying out the B&T. As the tower comes down the shear legs rise until they are vertical when the tower becomes horizontal. Fall the shear legs back to their starting position using the B&T or guy ropes. Raising the tower is exactly the opposite process.

The feet of the shear legs would be tied to the tower footing and to each other to prevent slip.
 
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  • #32
Deign

This is what I have been looking to build.
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This tower while only 23' weights around 620 pounds. View attachment TowerRaisingFixture.pdf
 
  • #33
Where a fixed structure is being used to tilt a tower it is probably better to lift the hinge point as high as possible on the fixed structure. That often permits some counterbalance to be used in the tower base.

In many cases there can be little force needed to tilt the tower. That is especially true of wind-up telescopic towers that are only tilted for antenna access when at their shortest.
 
  • #34
Baluncore said:
I really do not like using one 7' pole as the lever.

Without a crane, I would prefer to use two shear legs with a block and tackle, (B&T).
The shear legs could be 20' long steel pipe. The tower attachment would be at the 10' point where the lowest two sections meet. The shear legs would be seated 10' down range from the hinge line with the crotch about 6' up range of the tower. Raise the crotch of the shear legs to the tower using the B&T. Remove the remaining bolt from the free tower leg. Push the tower to tension the B&T. Then lower the tower by paying out the B&T. As the tower comes down the shear legs rise until they are vertical when the tower becomes horizontal. Fall the shear legs back to their starting position using the B&T or guy ropes. Raising the tower is exactly the opposite process.

The feet of the shear legs would be tied to the tower footing and to each other to prevent slip.

I am starting to get what you are saying. I pretty dense so could you do a sketch? What size pipe?
 
  • #35
Attached is a sketch showing shear legs and tower side elevation and plan.

The tower attachment would be at the 10' point where the lowest two sections meet. The shear legs would be seated 10' down range from the hinge line with the crotch about 6' up range of the tower.
The footings of the shear legs are about 16' apart.

The shear legs start in position 1.
They are then raised with the B&T to position 2.
The pin in the free leg of the tower is then removed.
The tower is then pulled gently down range, as it passes the balance point, weight is on B&T.
Then lower the tower by paying out the B&T.
As the tower descends, the shear legs rise until they are standing vertical in position 3.
The tower is then horizontal.
Fall the shear legs back to their starting position using the B&T or guy ropes.

Raising the tower is the opposite process.


Specification of the shear leg dimensions is a job for a real engineer.
Since they are quite long, the shear legs need to be designed with reference to column stability.
My first guess is that they would be a minimum of 4” diameter steel pipe with a 1/4” wall.
Alternatively, timber 6” to 8” diameter poles, maybe Douglas Fir to keep the weight down.
I use 6" diam x 1/4" wall Al tube. It comes with new felt spools for the paper industry. Scrap pipe or tube is also low cost. Once used you can keep it or sell it back into scrap.

The crotch where the shear legs meet and the block is attached needs to be designed to suit the shear leg material. A 30' rope attached to the crotch makes it easier to control the legs at the end of the lift, or to raise them into position prior to lifting the tower.

This system is applicable to raising or lowering a tower once or twice. For a more permanent solution a different structure should be used, probably with the hinge pin for the tower raised about 10' above the ground, at the top of the lowest section.
 

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