Random walk on integers with two absorbing boundaries

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the probability of hitting one of two absorbing boundaries in a simple random walk on integers. Participants explore the probability distribution over time to hit either boundary, referencing concepts from probability theory and stochastic processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Mark seeks to understand the probability distribution of hitting two boundaries in a random walk, specifically the probability of hitting boundary "a" before boundary "b" and the time distribution for hitting either boundary.
  • Mathman references William Feller's text as a comprehensive source on the topic.
  • Focus introduces a method involving defining the random walk as absorbing and provides a recurrence relation for calculating probabilities.
  • Mark seeks clarification on the meaning of the variable x_i, inferring it relates to the probability of hitting boundary "a" from position i.
  • Focus clarifies that x_i represents the probability of hitting boundary "a" in finite time starting from position i and discusses boundary conditions.
  • Focus explains how to derive the probability of hitting boundary "a" at a specific time t by conditioning on previous states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods and concepts involved in analyzing the random walk problem, but there is no consensus on the specific probability distributions or the implications of the derived equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of certain variables and equations, particularly regarding the transition probabilities and the conditions for hitting the boundaries.

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Hi - I am trying to find the probability of hitting one of two boundaries in a simple random walk (I describe the problem precisely below). Actually, my main concern is to find the probability distribution over time to hit either one of two boundaries. I think that this is a very standard problem, i.e. time to ruin in the Gambler's ruin problem, and while I am able to find material describing the probability of hitting one, or other, boundary, I have not been successful in finding any material describing the probability distribution over hitting times. Could anyone help?

many thanks,
Mark

The problem is as follows:
A particle x begins at time t=0, with a value of 0. At each time interval, t=1,2,... it is incremented by 1 with probability p, and decremented by 1 with probability q=1-p. There are two boundaries a>0 and b<0, such that when the particle hits either one it stops. I would like to know 1) the probability that the particle hits a before b and 2) assuming it has hit a (or b), the probability distribution over the time taken to hit it.
 
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In a classic text by William Feller "An Introduction to Probability Theory and its Application", this problem is discussed in full detail.
 
Mathman, many thanks! I checked out the book you suggested. It is great. By the way, I also found a book by Cox and Miller on Stochastic processes that is very helpful too.
thank you,
Mark
 
If you want a method for doing these sorts of questions, use the one step method. Define your random walk to be absorbing, i.e. X_n=a implies X_m=a for all m>n. Then define x_i=\mathbb{P}_i(T_a&lt;\infty) where T_a=\inf\{n:X_n=a\}. So obvious if it hits b then T_a is infinite. The one step method is
x_i=p_{i,i+1}x_{i+1}+p_{i,i-1}x_{i-1}
The p s are your transitional probabilities. The equation is intuitive if you think about it.

Now you get a recurrence relation and you need to solve it for x_i, you may find the next identity useful
\displaystyle x_i=x_0+\sum_{n=0}^{i-1}(x_{n+1}-x_n)

As for the expectation its almost exactly the same, let y_i=\mathbb{E}_i[T_a], then you get the relation
y_i=1+p_{i,i+1}y_{i+1}+p_{i,i-1}y_{i-1}
You get a 1 there because every time you move to a new state you increase the time by one.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi Focus. Thanks for the advice. Very helpful indeed.
But what exactly does x_i mean? I presume it is the probability of a particle hitting barrier "a" having started at position i. I am inferring that on the basis of the difference equation. I presume that everything messier when we ask of the probability of hitting barrier "a" at time "t", for t> 1.
-mark
 
Yes the definition of them may be confusing but it is the probability that you hit a in a finite time given that you start at i. I should have also mention your boundary conditions are x_a=1\quad x_b=0.

If you want to know the \mathbb{P}_i(T_a=k) then you have to condition your way backwards
\mathbb{P}_i(T_a=k)=\mathbb{P}_i(X_{k-1}=a-1)p_{a-1,a}=\mathbb{P}_i(X_{k-2}=a-2)p_{a-2,a-1}p_{a-1,a}=p_{a-2,a-1}p_{a-1,a}(\mathbb{P}_i(X_{k-3}=a-1)p_{a-1,a-2}+\mathbb{P}_i(X_{k-3}=a-3)p_{a-3,a-2})=...

So you look at where you are and you say, how could I get here? Well I could have moved one up or one down. And do the same again and again, then a pattern emerges.
 
Hi Focus, that is very helpful. thanks again.
-m
 

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