Rank of a Matrix and whether the columns span R12

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The discussion revolves around a 12 x 7 coefficient matrix of a homogeneous linear system, specifically addressing the rank of the matrix and whether its columns span ℝ12. The original poster attempts to determine the rank based on the properties of homogeneous systems and questions the implications of the solution space being in ℝ7.

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  • Participants discuss the rank of the matrix, with some suggesting it could be 7 based on the properties of homogeneous systems. Questions arise regarding the relationship between the solution space and the spanning of ℝ12 by the columns of the matrix, particularly considering the number of vectors needed to span a space.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the matrix dimensions and the nature of the solution space. Some guidance has been offered regarding the number of vectors required to span a space, and there is a recognition of the potential confusion regarding the dimensions involved. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being considered.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the notation of the matrix dimensions and the corresponding vector spaces, with some participants questioning whether the professor's notation was correct. The implications of having seven vectors in relation to spanning ℝ12 are also under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Let M be the 12 x 7 coefficient matrix of a homogeneous linear system, and suppose that this system has the unique solution 0 = (0, ..., 0) \in ℝ7.

1. What is the rank of M.
2. Do the columns of M, considered as vectors in ℝ12, span ℝ12.

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1. Well since the matrix is a homogeneous matrix the rank of M can be from 0 \leq rankM \leq 7.

so then rank has a rank of 7 I believe

2. I'm not sure how to solve this but if the solution is in ℝ7 does that automatically mean the vectors can't span ℝ12 and aside from that a set of all 0s can't span ℝ7 can it?
 
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By 12 x 7 I believe you mean column x row in this case? I ask this because if you had it the other way around, your zero vector would be in ℝ12 not ℝ7.
 
No, my professor does it 12 x 7, row x column (I thought that's the norm way of doing it?)

Maybe the ℝ7 is a typo by the professor and it should be ℝ12

I'm not completely sure.
 
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2. Do the columns of M, considered as vectors in R12, span R12.

2. I'm not sure how to solve this but if the solution is in R7 does that automatically mean the vectors can't span R12 and aside from that a set of all 0s can't span R7 can it?
This question is asking about the columns of the matrix, not the solutions. The columns are in R12 and there are seven of them, so could the columns span R12. Hint: how many vectors does it take to span R3? R3?
 
Mark44 said:
This question is asking about the columns of the matrix, not the solutions. The columns are in R12 and there are seven of them, so could the columns span R12. Hint: how many vectors does it take to span R3? R3?
So then if I'm not mistaken since there are only 7 columns (or 7 vectors) and there must be a minimum of n vectors to span ℝn 7 vectors can't span all of ℝ12. So the answer is no.

As for the first one would I be correct to say that the rank is then 7?
 

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