Rate of change in an Isosceles triangle

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The area A of an isosceles triangle with equal sides of 10 cm can be expressed as A = 50sin(x) using the double angle formula. When the angle x is increasing at 10 degrees per minute, the rate of change of the area at x = pi/3 is calculated to be approximately 4.36 cm²/min. For maximum area, optimization techniques indicate that the area is maximized when x = pi/2. The discussion includes clarifications on the use of trigonometric identities and the correct application of calculus to find rates of change. Overall, the thread focuses on deriving the area function and analyzing its behavior with respect to changes in the angle.
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An Isosceles triangle has two equal sides of length 10cm. Let x be the angle between the two equal sides.

a. Express the area A of the triangle as a function of x in radians.

b. Suppose that x is increasing at the rate of 10 degrees per minute. How fast is A changing at the instant x = pi/3? At what value of x will the triangle have a maximum area?

I've set the triangle and drew a line to cut it in half. the angle is now x/2, and the base is b/2. The hypoteneuse of each triangle is 10.

cos x/2 = adj/hyp = h/10
sin x/2 = opp/hyp = b/2/10 = b/20

A = 100sinx/2 cosx/2
= 100 sinx/2

would that be the equation for part a?

any help for part b would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
 
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Econguy said:
An Isosceles triangle has two equal sides of length 10cm. Let x be the angle between the two equal sides.

a. Express the area A of the triangle as a function of x in radians.

b. Suppose that x is increasing at the rate of 10 degrees per minute. How fast is A changing at the instant x = pi/3? At what value of x will the triangle have a maximum area?

I've set the triangle and drew a line to cut it in half. the angle is now x/2, and the base is b/2. The hypoteneuse of each triangle is 10.

cos x/2 = adj/hyp = h/10
sin x/2 = opp/hyp = b/2/10 = b/20

A = 100sinx/2 cosx/2
= 100 sinx/2
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).


would that be the equation for part a?

any help for part b would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
Once you have the correct formula for A as a function of x, then dA/dt= (dA/dx)(dx/dt) and you are told that dx/dt= 10 degrees per minute.
 
HallsofIvy said:
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).

Yes, I used the double angle formula (sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a)). Was that incorrect? I thought I could use that identity...?
 
Econguy said:
HallsofIvy said:
How did you go from "100 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)" to just "100 sin(x/2)"? What happened to the "cos(x/2)"? Perhaps you were trying to use the fact that sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a).

Yes, I used the double angle formula (sin(2a)= 2sin(a)cos(a)). Was that incorrect? I thought I could use that identity...?
You can use that identity, but you have to use it correctly.

100 sin(x/2) cos(x/2) = 50 * [2 sin(x/2)cos(x/2)] = 50 sin(2*x/2) = 50 sin(x)
 
Hey guys, so I'd like to resurrect this thread since I'm also working on it.

So for part A) area=50sinx by double angle formula

B) My answer is:

dx/dt=10=0.1745rad/min

da/dt=50cosx(dx/dt)

=50cos(pi/3)(0.1745rad)

=4.36cm^2/min

For max area, using optimization techniques:

A'=50cosx >0 for 0<x<pi/2 and 3pi/2<x<2pi (since dimensions can't be negative)
A' <0 for pi/2<x<3pi/2
A'= 0 for x= pi/2 and 3pi/2
Using closed interval method:
A(pi/2)=50
A(3pi/2)=-50, therefore A will be max when x=pi/2

I have a feeling I did the first part of B) wrong, what do the pros think?
 
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