Rate of flow - height of water problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the rate of flow and the height of water in a vessel with a constant cross-sectional area. Participants explore the implications of this constant area on the differential equations governing the system, focusing on how to express the relationship between flow rate and height change over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the constant cross-sectional area A should be included in the differential equation, questioning how it can remain constant if the height of the water varies.
  • Another participant clarifies that the cross-sectional area accounts for two dimensions of volume and suggests that it does not need to be included in the equation since the question focuses on height as a function.
  • A different participant proposes a differential equation involving A and dh/dt, seeking confirmation on its correctness.
  • Another response asserts that A should not be included as it is constant, emphasizing that the only variable change is in height h(t) due to the flow q(t).
  • One participant corrects the previous equation suggestion, indicating that the correct relationship involves the flow q(t) and the cross-sectional area A, leading to a specific form of the differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the constant cross-sectional area A should be included in the differential equation. Some argue it should not be included, while others suggest it is necessary for expressing the relationship between flow and height change. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct formulation of the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the flow rate q(t) and the initial conditions for height h(t), which are not fully specified. The dependence on the definition of the cross-sectional area and its constancy is also a point of contention.

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Ok so I've been given this problem for one of my classes (see attatchment) :

I haven't done much with differential equations before and I'm a bit stuck. What has been putting me off is the fact that it says the vessel has a constant cross sectional area A. which I am guessing is the grey shaded area.

I don't understand how whether the differential equation is meant to include this A term. Surely it can't be constant if the height of the water varies?

Any help would be greatly appreaciated.
 

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You have two of the dimensions in volume accounted for, by the constant cross sectional area. The grey shaded area is the liquid. The cross sectional area represents the 2 dimensions of the cylinder aside from the height which is changing. Don't be fooled.

You shouldn't have to include the cross sectional area because the question asks for a function of height. Now, if the cross-sectional area was not constant, you would have to include a derivative of that as well.
 
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ah thank you, well in that case would it be something like:

\frac{dq}{dt} = A \frac{dh}{dt}
 
No, you shouldn't include A, because it's a constant. The question concerns only changing quantities that affect that specific variable h. h isn't going to be changed with respect to A because there is no change in A, i.e. dA/dT = 0.

In this case, there is obviously only one change, a linear increase in h(t) coming from q(t).
 
ineedmunchies said:
ah thank you, well in that case would it be something like:

\frac{dq}{dt} = A \frac{dh}{dt}

ineedmunchies, you were almost correct in the equation, but made an error which you could avoid if you had checked the units. You have for the flow entering the vessel q expressed in m^3/s and the cross-sectional area A in m^2, therefore you have for the change in height:

\frac{dh(t)}{dt}=\frac{q(t)}{A}

This is the differential equation you need to solve. Remember you need the flow q(t) as a function. It can be a constant, but that was not given in the original post, as wasn't the height h(t) at a certain time t. These things will make it completely solvable. It is a basic equation, but in case you have any problems, post them.
 

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