Fluid Mechanics: Flow rate required to achieve a constant height

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The discussion revolves around fluid mechanics, specifically focusing on the relationship between flow rates and height in a system where water is entering and potentially exiting a space, such as a basement. Participants explore how to connect flow rates with height and velocity without having all the necessary parameters provided.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the principle that the volume flow rate in must equal the volume flow rate out, referencing equations related to flow rates and height. Questions arise regarding the lack of area information and how to relate height to velocity and area. Some participants consider applying Torricelli's Law and Bernoulli's principle but express concerns about the applicability due to missing parameters.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the flow rates and the parameters needed to calculate them. Some guidance has been provided regarding the flow rate calculations, and there is an acknowledgment of the relationship between the flow rate in and the rate of rise of water. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of specific area measurements for the flow rates, which complicates the calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on what is meant by flow rate in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement
A surface water drain causes your basement to flood at the steady rate of ##2.5~cm/hour##. The basement floor area is ##121~m^2##. At what flow rate (in ##m^3/s## should a pump operate to keep the water accumulated in your basement at a constant level? (give your answer in ##m^3/hour##).
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Some thoughts that I've had on the question are saying the volume flow rate (##Q##) in, must equal the volume flow rate out. If that's the case, then:

##Q_{in} = Q_{out}##

##A_1V_1=A_2V_2##

But... no areas have been given. And height doesn't enter this equation at all.

Then I thought it could have something to do with Torricelli's Law.
##\Delta t = \frac {2A} {a \sqrt {2g}} (\sqrt {h_1} - \sqrt {h_2} ##

But again, still, no areas are given. Also, if the height is constant, then:

##\sqrt {h_1} - \sqrt {h_2} = 0##

So the whole equation becomes zero. Besides of which, velocity isn't in that equation at all.

Finally, I thought Bernoulli; that's just out of the question though. There's no streamline.

I know I need to link the height with velocity and somehow area, but I can't find a relationship.
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:
the volume flow rate (Q) in, must equal the volume flow rate out
Right, so what is the flow rate in in this case?
 
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Do you mean the flow rate of the water into the basement? How can I calculate the flow rate in without knowing the area of the water drain?

I do know the area of the basement however... So, first I converted the speed of the water from ##\frac {cm} {hour}## to ##\frac m s##. I then multiplied this speed by the area of the basement to obtain a flow rate. Which, I guess is still the flow rate in...?
 
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WhiteWolf98 said:
Which, I guess is still the flow rate in...?
Yes.
WhiteWolf98 said:
the speed of the water
To be clear, it is the rate of rise of the water if nothing is flowing out.
 
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Oh. So I've pretty much solved the question... There's not really anything more to do. The flow rate out has to be equal to what I've calculated.

Guess the answer was simpler than I thought. Thank you
 

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