Maximum height for water from a fire hose

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving fluid dynamics, specifically the maximum height water can reach when expelled from a fire hose. The problem provides parameters such as the hose diameter, flow rate, and pressures involved, prompting participants to explore the relationship between these factors and the resulting height of the water stream.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss calculating the speed of water exiting the hose using flow rate and cross-sectional area. There are attempts to apply kinematic equations to determine height based on time and speed. Some participants suggest using Bernoulli's equation to relate pressure and speed, while others question the assumptions made about external pressure and its effect on the maximum height.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different approaches and questioning the assumptions made in calculations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of Bernoulli's equation and the importance of unit conversions. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method or answer, as participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies between their calculated heights and the expected answer, prompting discussions about potential errors in assumptions, particularly regarding external pressure. The problem's constraints and the need for accurate unit conversions are also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


Fire hose has diameter of 4.0 cm and flow rate of 10 L/s. There is pressure of 2.2 bar inside the hose. How high the water can go at best? Water density is 1.00E3 kg/m^3 and air pressure outside the hose is 1.0 bar.

Homework Equations


Flow rate
$$ Q = Av $$
Newtons equations?

The Attempt at a Solution



I tired to find speed for water particle when it exits the hose. I can get speed directly from flow rate.

$$ v = \frac{Q}{A} = \frac{Q}{(\frac{d}{2})^2 \pi} $$
$$ v \approx 7.957 \text{ m/s} $$

If we would aim the hose at 45 angle it would follow height as function of time as:

$$ h(t) = vt-gt^2 $$

i solved the maxima with first derivative $$ t = \frac{v}{2g} \approx 0.4055 \text{ s} $$

then you would compute the height from the function $$ h(0.41\text{ s}) \approx 1.6 \text{ m} $$

However the correct answer should be 26m. What I'am doing wrong?
 
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Try Bernoulli's equation and don't forget the necessary unit conversions.
 
hoses have nozzles to convert pressure to speed
kuru was faster to point you in the right direction
note they ask for maximum height, so I d aim a little higher :wink:
 
BvU said:
hoses have nozzles to convert pressure to speed
kuru was faster to point you in the right direction
note they ask for maximum height, so I d aim a little higher :wink:
kuruman said:
Try Bernoulli's equation and don't forget the necessary unit conversions.

I tried Bernoulli's equation and ended up with this.
$$ p_1 + \frac{1}{2}pv^2_1 = p_2 + \frac{1}{2}pv_2^2 $$
Speed can be expressed as
$$ v = \frac{Q}{\pi (\frac{d}{2})^2} $$
$$ \implies v_2 = \sqrt{\frac{p_1-p_2}{\rho}+(\frac{Q}{(\frac{d}{2})}^2 \pi)^2\cdot 2} $$
when i compute with numbers i get 19m/s for speed.

Computing maximum height with mgh = 1/2 mv² we get that h = v²/2g, which gives approx 18.3 m.
Correct answer was 26 m. Any suggestion on what I'am doing wrong?
 
Since the problem is asking for the speed, use Bernoulli's equation between a point just inside the hose and the point at maximum height. You don't really need the speed. Also, I get 26 m if I assume that the pressure outside is zero. It looks like there is an error in the quoted answer that needs to be checked.
 
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