Ratio between Semi major and Velocity

In summary, the conversation discusses the ratio between the semi-major axes and orbital velocities of two planets orbiting the same Sun. The participant has studied the solar system and found a relationship between these ratios using geometry. However, it is clarified that the ratios are not directly related and can be calculated using different formulas depending on the eccentricity of the orbit.
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Hi, has anybody shown that the ratio between two planets semi-major equals the ratio of their velocity. I've been studying the solar system using geometry and came up with formulas that show this relationship. I've checked my work several times and can't find anything wrong with it. I'll post my work up maybe later on today or tomorrow so you guys can check it.
 
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If you are talking about the ratio of the orbital velocities vs ratio of semi-major axi, then these two ratios are not directly related.

For a circular orbit, the orbital velocity can be found by:

[tex]V = \sqrt{\frac{GM}{a}}[/tex]

With G being the gravitational constant, M the mass of the Sun (Or body being orbited) and a the semi-major axis.

With two planets orbiting the same Sun the only thing that changes is a. Thus the orbital velocity changes inversely to the squareroot of the semi-major axis.
 
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It may also be helpful to note that one can calculate the orbit speed at apoapsis distance (a) based on arbitrary eccentricity (e):

[tex]v = \sqrt{\frac{GM}{a} \frac{1 - e}{1 + e} }[/tex]

Where e = 0, this works out to the same as the formula for circular orbit given in the post above.

Where e = 1, this works out to 0 velocity, which is equivalent to radial in-fall.

Likewise, at periapsis distance (p), the formula is:

[tex]v = \sqrt{\frac{GM}{p} \frac{1 + e}{1 - e} }[/tex]

Where e = 1, things obviously fall apart due to division by zero. In other words, it's nonsensical to talk about orbit and radial in-fall in the same breath, since they are mutually exclusive concepts.
 
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Or you can use

[tex]v=\sqrt{GM \left ( \frac{2}{r}- \frac{1}{a} \right )}[/tex]

to find the velocity at a distance of r, for an orbit with a semi-major axis of a (this assumes that the eccentricity of the orbit allows for the given value of r for the given orbit.)
 

1. What is the relationship between the semi major axis and velocity in an elliptical orbit?

The semi major axis and velocity in an elliptical orbit are inversely related. This means that as the semi major axis increases, the velocity decreases, and vice versa.

2. How does the ratio between semi major axis and velocity affect the shape of an orbit?

The ratio between semi major axis and velocity determines the eccentricity of an orbit, which in turn affects the shape of the orbit. A lower ratio (smaller semi major axis and higher velocity) results in a more circular orbit, while a higher ratio (larger semi major axis and lower velocity) results in a more elongated orbit.

3. Is the ratio between semi major axis and velocity constant in all types of orbits?

No, the ratio between semi major axis and velocity varies depending on the type of orbit. For example, in a circular orbit, the ratio is always 1. In a parabolic orbit, the ratio is infinite, and in a hyperbolic orbit, the ratio is negative.

4. How does the ratio between semi major axis and velocity impact the speed of an object in orbit?

The ratio between semi major axis and velocity determines the speed of an object in orbit. A higher velocity results in a faster speed, while a lower velocity results in a slower speed. However, the effect of this ratio on speed is also influenced by the gravitational pull of the central body.

5. Can the ratio between semi major axis and velocity be used to determine the period of an orbit?

Yes, the ratio between semi major axis and velocity can be used to calculate the period of an orbit using Kepler's third law. The period is directly proportional to the semi major axis cubed and inversely proportional to the square root of the velocity.

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