Ratio of volumes in a vertical cylinder with a piston

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The discussion focuses on the forces acting on a piston in a vertical cylinder, establishing the relationship between pressures and volumes before and after a temperature change. The equations derived show that the ratio of volumes V1 and V2 is determined by a constant k, leading to the conclusion that p2 equals three times p1. Participants emphasize the importance of defining notation for clarity. After some back-and-forth, the correct volume expressions are confirmed, leading to a successful resolution of the problem. The final answer is noted as sqrt(2) + 1, indicating a breakthrough in understanding the dynamics involved.
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Homework Statement
A vertical cylinder closed at both ends is separated into two compartments by a movable piston of negligible volume. In the two compartments there are equal masses of the same ideal gas, at the same temperature T₁. At equilibrium, the ratio of the volumes of the two compartments is k = 3.
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What will be the ratio of the two volumes, if the temperature rises to 4T₁/3?
First, I thought of the forces which are acting upon the piston.
F1 + G = F2, where F1 = p1 * S and F2 = p2 * S
p1 + mg/S = p2

I figured that before and after the gas' temperature rises, the piston has to be at equilibrium, so p2 - p1 = p2' - p1'.

p1V1 = niu * R * T1
p2V2 = niu * R * T1 => p1V1 = p2V2, but V1/V2 = k = 3. so p1/p2 = 1/3, so p2 = 3p1.

Nothing that I think of adds up to anything, the correct answer is: sqrt(2) + 1.
 
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danut said:
First, I thought of the forces which are acting upon the piston.
F1 + G = F2, where F1 = p1 * S and F2 = p2 * S
p1 + mg/S = p2
We can probably guess what G and S represent, but you should always define your notation.

danut said:
I figured that before and after the gas' temperature rises, the piston has to be at equilibrium, so p2 - p1 = p2' - p1'.
OK.

Hint: Let ##V_0## be the total volume of the cylinder. Can you express ##V_1## in terms of ##V_0## and ##k##? Likewise for ##V_2##.
 
TSny said:
We can probably guess what G and S represent, but you should always define your notation.
I apologize and thank you, will do that from now on!!
So V1 = V0*k/(k+1) and V2 = V0/(k+1).

I wrote the equation p2 - p1 = p2' - p1' in terms of ν, R, T and the corresponding volumes and finally got the correct answer!! Thank you so much, I've struggled with this problem for the longest time.
 
Great! Good work.
 
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