Rational Root Theorem for Factoring Polynomials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Rational Root Theorem and its application to factoring third-degree polynomials. Participants explore methods for identifying rational roots and factoring polynomials, particularly in the context of preparing for exams.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in factoring polynomials beyond the second degree and seeks a method to remember for finals.
  • Another participant asserts that if a degree 3 polynomial has a rational root, it can be factored.
  • Participants discuss specific potential factors for the polynomial x^3 - 3x^2 + 4, suggesting x + 1 and x - 2 as candidates.
  • A participant explains the Rational Root Theorem, detailing the conditions under which a polynomial can have rational roots based on its coefficients.
  • Some participants propose that the polynomial does not factor, while others provide calculations to support their claims about potential roots.
  • One participant acknowledges their own learning process and expresses appreciation for the insights shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on whether the polynomial x^3 - 3x^2 + 4 factors or not, as some participants believe it does not factor while others provide evidence of potential roots.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the Rational Root Theorem but do not fully resolve the implications of their calculations or assumptions about the polynomial's factorability.

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Hi I was wondering since i have problems factoring any polynomial past 2nd degree i was wondering if anyone can show a way i can remember for finals ^_^.

IE. let's say we have a 3rd degree polynomial.
X^3 - 3X^2 +4
i tried looking it up but most don't show how they did the work so i can understand the in between or like sparknotes that polynomial doesn't fit their formula so I am kinda stumped for the upcoming test where we do this, especially when its used in det of matrices.
 
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Factoring degree 3 integer polynomials over the integers is easy -- if it factors, it must have a rational root.
 
Factoring degree 3 integer polynomials over the integers is easy -- if it polynomial divides (synthetic or long), it must be factorable.:wink:


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that polynomial doesn't factor that i can see
 
Did you try x+ 1 as a factor? (-1)^3- 3(-1)^2+ 4= 0 doesn't it?
 
Or x-2 as a factor?

23 - 3(2)2 + 4 = 8 - 12 + 4 = 0.
 
Hurkyl said:
Factoring degree 3 integer polynomials over the integers is easy -- if it factors, it must have a rational root.
A polynomial has "x- a" as a factor if and only x= a makes the polynomial equal to 0 and the "rational root theorem" says that if m/n is a rational root of the equation
a_nx^n+ a_{n-1}x^{n-1}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ a_1x+ a_0= 0
with integer coefficients, then n must divide a_n and m must divide a_0.
With your example cubic, the equation is x^3- 3x^2+ 4= 0, a_3= 1 and a_0= 4 so n must be +/- 1 and m must be one of +/- 1, +/- 2, +/- 4. The only possible rational roots are +/- 1, +/- 2, +/- 4 and it is not hard to try those and see that -1 is a root and that 2 is a double root:
x^3- 3x^2- 4= (x+ 1)(x- 2)(x- 2)
 
HallsofIvy said:
A polynomial has "x- a" as a factor if and only x= a makes the polynomial equal to 0 and the "rational root theorem" says that if m/n is a rational root of the equation
a_nx^n+ a_{n-1}x^{n-1}+ \cdot\cdot\cdot+ a_1x+ a_0= 0
with integer coefficients, then n must divide a_n and m must divide a_0.
With your example cubic, the equation is x^3- 3x^2+ 4= 0, a_3= 1 and a_0= 4 so n must be +/- 1 and m must be one of +/- 1, +/- 2, +/- 4. The only possible rational roots are +/- 1, +/- 2, +/- 4 and it is not hard to try those and see that -1 is a root and that 2 is a double root:
x^3- 3x^2- 4= (x+ 1)(x- 2)(x- 2)

i see your ability to factor is past my ability lol, well I am still learning, so its alright, nice post.
 

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