Re-write as a system of first order ODEs

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The discussion revolves around converting higher order differential equations into a system of first order linear ordinary differential equations (ODEs). The original poster presents several equations that require this transformation, expressing difficulty in recalling the necessary methods from previous studies.

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  • Exploratory, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants suggest using variable substitutions, such as letting \( y = y_0 \) and \( y' = y_1 \), to facilitate the conversion process. Others propose making changes of variables to simplify the equations into first order systems. There is also discussion about combining equations to eliminate certain derivatives and questioning the correctness of terms like \( \cos(y') \) versus \( \cos(y) \).

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various methods for rewriting the equations. Some have offered potential strategies for eliminating higher derivatives, while others are clarifying assumptions about the equations presented. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of dealing with a fourth derivative and the implications of the specific forms of the equations, including the potential confusion over trigonometric terms. The original poster's reference to a textbook suggests a reliance on prior learning that may not fully address the current problem.

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hello,

I am going through the first chapter (a review chapter) of a second-course book in ODEs, and can't seem to remember how to re-write higher order DEs into a system of first order linear ODEs, and my old textbook only shows this for second order equations...

The question is: "Write the following differential equations as a system of first order ODEs:

y'' -5y'+6y=0
-y''-2y' = 7cos(y')
y(4) - y'' + 8y' + y2 = ex "
 
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How about letting y=y_0, y'=y_1 et cetera?
 
You have to make a change of variable, you can call y'=z and by doing the substitution you obtain a first order system of ODE.

Sorry for my English and I'll do it later from my computer if I haven't explained myself properly.
 
anonymity said:
hello,

I am going through the first chapter (a review chapter) of a second-course book in ODEs, and can't seem to remember how to re-write higher order DEs into a system of first order linear ODEs, and my old textbook only shows this for second order equations...

The question is: "Write the following differential equations as a system of first order ODEs:

y'' -5y'+6y=0
-y''-2y' = 7cos(y')
y(4) - y'' + 8y' + y2 = ex "
Add the first two equations to eliminate y'' .

Is the really cos(y') and not cos(y) ?

Getting rid of the 4th derivative may be more difficult. I think you can differentiate the first two, one of them once, the other twice to eliminate y(4) (and the y''' you'll introduce).

Alternatively: If that's a cos(y), then you could combin the first two equations to eliminate y'. Differentiate that twice to get an additional equation with y(4) and y' and y. Combine that with the third equation to eliminate y(4) .
 

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