Real Analysis -Open/Closed sets of Metric Spaces

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of open and closed sets within the context of metric spaces, specifically focusing on the discrete metric and its implications for subsets of the real line.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definitions of open and closed sets in relation to the discrete metric, questioning the identification of sets and the nature of the metric itself.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions of open and closed sets, particularly in relation to the discrete metric and its induced topology. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these definitions for specific sets, such as the entire real line.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the definitions and application of the discrete metric, as well as the necessity of identifying specific sets to determine their openness or closedness.

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So I have an exam in Real Analysis I coming up next week and I was hoping if someone can help me out.

I hope my question makes sense because I think I might be confused with defining the metric space or so...

Homework Statement





a)Suppose that we have a metric space M with the discrete metric

d(x,y) = 1 if x = y
d(x,y) = 0 if x =/= y

Is this open or closed?



b)Suppose that we are in R (the real line) and the metric is define as

d(x,y) = 1 if x = y
d(x,y) = 0 if x =/= y

Is this open or closed?



Homework Equations





Definition:

A set is Y open if every point in Y is an interior point
A set is Y closed if every point in Y is an limit point



The Attempt at a Solution





a)Im not even sure if question a makes sense because I didn't define the metric.

b) I'm pretty sure it is open and closed because both the definitions work.
 
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Is what open/closed? You haven't identified a set, only the metric. Also I think you have the definition of the discrete metric backwards.
 
oh darn...
 
Can we focus on part b) only.

What if the set was just R (the entire real line)

Then it is open and closed?
 
Remember, a set is only open or closed relative to a given topology. For a metric space, there is a natural induced topology from the metric. But for your last question the topology doesn't matter: for any topology on a space X, X is, by definition, open (and closed) in the topology.

In fact, the discrete metric induces the discrete topology, in which every subset is open (and closed).
 
Oh okay...

I find the discrete metric very unusual
 
It's not that complicated. Every point has a ball containing it and no other points (eg, of radius 1/2), which just means points are open sets. Since unions of open sets are open, this means all sets are open.

The picture I get is sort of a lattice of isolated points. Also, don't get too hung up on the distances actually all being 1. This may be hard to visualize (if there are more than 4 points it's impossible to embed them in 3D space so they're all a distance 1 from every other point). But all that matters for most purposes is that it induces the discrete topology.
 

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