Real and Point Particle Systems of a jumper

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The discussion centers on calculating the force exerted by the floor (Ffloor) during a jumper's takeoff. The jumper's mass is 71 kg, with a change in height from 0 m to 0.5 m and a vertical velocity of 1.8 m/s at lift-off. Participants explore the relationship between work, energy, and force, noting that the work done includes both potential and kinetic energy. The correct approach involves integrating the force over displacement to find the maximum force (Ffloormax) and determining the constant C for the force equation. The calculations emphasize the distinction between work (in Joules) and force (in Newtons), clarifying the need for proper unit application in the formulas.
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Homework Statement


A jumper of mass m=71 kg starts in a crouched position with the jumper's center of mass at a position y1=0 m. Just before the jumper leaves the floor, his or her center of mass is at y2=0.5 m. From another measurement, you have found that the velocity of the jumper's center of mass has only a y component of v2=1.8 m/s as the jumper's feet leave the floor.

Use your results from this lab to calculate how strong the floor must be to support this jump.

Ffloor = ?


Now assume Ffloor changes while the jumper goes from the crouched to the lift-off position. While the jumper's feet are in contact with the floor assume the force decreases linearly or

Ffloor(y) = -C[y-(y2-y1)],

where y is the changing position of the center of mass, and C is a positive constant. Note that when y=y2-y1 this force goes to zero and, of course, once the jumper's feet leave the floor this force of the floor on the jumper must be zero.

For the initial conditions above, find the maximum value of Ffloor and so the required strength of the floor.

Ffloormax = ?

Hint: You will have to integrate the force over the displacement to find the work and from that and the energy principle you can find the constant C. Once you know C it is straightforward to find the maximum value of Ffloor.


Homework Equations


W=-mg(y2-y1)
Ktrans=1/2mv^2
F=(mg(y2-y1)/(2y-y1)) + mg...don't know if this is right?

The Attempt at a Solution


Thought it was just m*g, but it's not.
 
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For one thing the energy that needs to be imparted from the work of jumping is not only the change in potential energy, but also the change in kinetic energy isn't it?

W = m*g*h + 1/2*mv2
 
I added in the kinetic energy into the solution and it said it was wrong for the force of the floor.
W =71*9.8*.5+.5*71*1.8^2=462.92N...isn't this right?
 
jchojnac said:
I added in the kinetic energy into the solution and it said it was wrong for the force of the floor.
W =71*9.8*.5+.5*71*1.8^2=462.92N...isn't this right?

That's the work, but what about the Force? Force is Newtons. Work is Joules.
 
Wouldn't force just be m*g*h?
 
jchojnac said:
Wouldn't force just be m*g*h?

Wrong units.

Joules are the units of work

Work = F*d
 
Ffloormax=C * y2
C= ((.5*m*v2+m*g*y2)/(y22))*2
 
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