Real quick question on 2nd order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order differential equation of the form d²θ/dt² + (g/L)θ = g, which appears to relate to a pendulum problem. The original poster expresses difficulty in recalling the methods for solving such equations after a significant time away from the subject.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the equation, noting its similarity to pendulum dynamics. Some suggest breaking down the problem into its homogeneous and non-homogeneous components, while others inquire about the physical context that leads to this equation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with some participants providing resources and insights into the characteristics of the equation. The original poster has received guidance on how to approach the solution, and there is acknowledgment of the connection to a physical scenario involving a pendulum.

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Participants note that the original poster has been away from differential equations for an extended period, which may impact their confidence and understanding. There is also a mention of related problems in the thread that could provide additional context.

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Homework Statement



How do I go about solving [itex]d^2\theta/dt^2+ (g/L) \theta= g[/itex]? It's been 2.5 years since I had diff eq.

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I don't know. I've spent the past 2 hours going through old books and searching online and still can't figure it out :frown:
 
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Heres a quick and decent review of homogeneous and nonhomogenous second order diffyq's

http://www.haverford.edu/physics-astro/MathAppendices/Differential_Eqs.pdf
 
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also since this looks a lot like a pendulum problem, curious as to the problem that gave rise to it, ie the pendulum would be the homogeneous soln where right side eqn=0.
 
denverdoc said:
also since this looks a lot like a pendulum problem, curious as to the problem that gave rise to it, ie the pendulum would be the homogeneous soln where right side eqn=0.

It's the problem a few posts below about a father pushing a child on a swing. If you have any other help I'd greatly appreciate it.
 
i see, i'd just repost your query there. I'd help but got to earn a living today
 
rcw110131 said:

Homework Statement



How do I go about solving [itex]d^2\theta/dt^2+ (g/L) \theta= g[/itex]? It's been 2.5 years since I had diff eq.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know. I've spent the past 2 hours going through old books and searching online and still can't figure it out :frown:
This is more math than physics but here is how: first ignore the "g" on the right hand side to get the "associated homogeneous equation" [itex]d^2\theta/dt^2+ (g/L)\theta= 0[/itex]. It's "characteristic equation" is [itex]r^2+ (g/L)= 0[/itex] which has imaginary roots: [itex]r= \pm \sqrt{g/L}[/itex] and so the homogeneous equation has general solution [itex]Ccos(\sqrt{g/L}t)+ Dsin(\sqrt{g/L}t)[/itex].

Now, since the righthand side of the orginal equation was a constant, g, we "look for" a constant solution, y= A, to the entire equations. y'= 0 so the equation becomes 0+ (g/L)A= g and so A= L. The general solution to the entire equation is [itex]y(t)= C cos(\sqrt{g/L}t)+ D sin(\sqrt{g/L}t)+ L[/itex].
 
Thank you so much, I can't even tell you how much I appreciate your help! I finally got it; using the initial conditions, C ends up as 1-L, and then taking the derivative and using the initial conditions again, D has to equal zero, leaving only the cosine term and the L. Thanks again!
 

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