Real time effects of light, light speed, and the sun?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of light speed, the distance of the sun from Earth, and the implications of the sun's hypothetical destruction on light and gravitational effects. It touches on concepts of light travel time, the perception of the sun, and the propagation of gravitational effects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light from the sun takes about four years to reach Earth, leading to questions about the visibility of the sun if it were to be destroyed.
  • Others clarify that the sun is approximately 8 light minutes away from Earth, suggesting that if the sun were to vanish, it would take about 8 minutes for its absence to be noticed.
  • One participant raises the uncertainty regarding the nature of gravity, noting that while it is understood what gravity does, the mechanism is not fully known, and questions remain about how quickly gravitational effects would cease if the sun disappeared.
  • Another participant expresses confidence that gravity propagates at or near the speed of light, countering the notion of instantaneous effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the distance of the sun being about 8 light minutes away, but there is disagreement regarding the nature of gravitational effects and their propagation speed, leaving the discussion unresolved on that front.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about light and gravity, particularly concerning the lack of empirical evidence for gravitons and the implications of their absence on gravitational propagation.

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If I am to understand correctly, light speed is the speed at which light travels through space. As I also am led to believe, our sun is some four lightyears away. I recall hearing that since it takes roughly four years for light to travel from the sun to us, the light we see during the day actually originated from the sun from four lightyears ago. That being said, in theory if the sun were destroyed (and we could ignore the gravitational effects that would create) would we continue to have light and heat for four years?

Also, if any of what I heard/described above is accurate, is the sun we see from sunrise to sunset the actual, physical sun, or is it just an image? i.e. if the sun theoretically exploded and we were still intact, would we see the results immediately, or would it take some four years till we see a change?
 
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rolandov00 said:
If I am to understand correctly, light speed is the speed at which light travels through space. As I also am led to believe, our sun is some four lightyears away. I recall hearing that since it takes roughly four years for light to travel from the sun to us, the light we see during the day actually originated from the sun from four lightyears ago. That being said, in theory if the sun were destroyed (and we could ignore the gravitational effects that would create) would we continue to have light and heat for four years?
Also, if any of what I heard/described above is accurate, is the sun we see from sunrise to sunset the actual, physical sun, or is it just an image? i.e. if the sun theoretically exploded and we were still intact, would we see the results immediately, or would it take some four years till we see a change?

Hi rolandov00!
The Sun is about 8 lightminutes from the earth.
(But our next nearest star is about 4 lightyears away.)
So if the sun suddenly disappeared it would take 8 minutes before we noticed it (including gravitational effects).
 
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Thanks for the answer.
 
Actually, although it is known what gravity does, how it does it is not known. No "gravitons" have been found so if the sun were to suddenly vanish, it is not known whether gravity would instantly disappear, or like light, continue for some minutes.
 
Peter Watkins said:
Actually, although it is known what gravity does, how it does it is not known. No "gravitons" have been found so if the sun were to suddenly vanish, it is not known whether gravity would instantly disappear, or like light, continue for some minutes.

No, we are fairly confident that gravity propagates at or close to the speed of light. Certainly not instantaneously.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity
 

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