Real World Gravity on an incline question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the load on tow straps used to secure a recreational trailer on an inclined driveway. Participants explore the physics of forces acting on an object on an incline, specifically focusing on the gravitational force parallel to the incline.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a detailed problem involving a 3000 lb. trailer on a 10-degree incline and seeks validation for their calculations regarding the load on the tow straps.
  • The participant uses the equation F parallel = m * g * sin(theta) to calculate the force acting parallel to the incline, expressing concern about potential errors in their calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that converting to metric is unnecessary and confirms that the gravitational force parallel to the incline can be calculated directly in pounds.
  • A later reply agrees with the initial participant's understanding of the force parallel to the incline and emphasizes the importance of ensuring the strength of the D rings and protecting the straps from damage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to calculating the load on the straps and the importance of ensuring the strength of the attachment points. However, there is some uncertainty regarding the necessity of converting units and the specifics of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about minimal friction and the static condition of the trailer, which may affect the accuracy of the calculations. There are also unresolved details regarding the exact load distribution and safety considerations for the setup.

Jeff Long
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Hi, I'm brushing up on my physics, and I have a real world problem I've chosen to solve!

First the Word Problem part of it, then the Physics after that...

I have a 3000 lb. Recreational Trailer that I wish to put on my driveway on the side. The driveway is at a 10 degree angle from level. Above the driveway (on the side where the trailer will go) is a Palm tree that's just huge, that I wish to attach it to.

I have had welded onto the back of the trailer two D rings that swivel, welded to the frame (one on each side, left and right), and have backed the trailer up the driveway. I have attached two tow straps, one has a breaking strength of 20,000 lbs., and it's 8 ft. fixed length, and I've simply gone from D ring around the tree to D ring. As a backup, I have an adjustable-length tow strap that has a WLL of 3300 lbs. and a breaking strength of 10,000 lbs., and it attaches to the trailer at the 1 1/4" hitch welded at the back/middle of the rear of the trailer, goes around the tree also, and returns to the same hitch. It's tightened to match the first tow strap, so that if either strap breaks, the other will hold it with no shock loading. Essentially the trailer is held with two separate loop systems. It seems to be holding fine, and the tree seems fine as well.

What I want to calculate, is the actual load I'm putting on the straps/tree. So I'm hoping someone can validate my math. This *should be* a gravity on an incline problem. So the value I want should be F parallel, rather than F perpendicular, which is the same as F normal. I am assuming that the trailer is at rest and held in place and friction of the wheels in the axle in layers of grease are minimal, and so I'm not bothering subtracting friction for this problem.

Seems like the equation should be:

F parallel = m * g * sin (theta)

where m = mass (3000 lb. trailer = 1360 kg), gravity is 9.80665 (technically it's 9.79593 as I've calculated local gravity, but I'll go with 9.8 for this explanation).

F parallel = 13,328N * sin(10)
F parallel = 13,328 * 0.1736481777
F parallel = 2,314.3829 N
so the load (foot pounds of force?) = F parallel / g
load = 236.161 kg or 520.646 lbs.

I assume I screwed at least one thing up royally. It just seems too easy and I must have botched something. Any help would be appreciated!

Note: Please don't go over my head without explanation. The more detailed the answer the more likely I am to understand (especially with math steps taken and none skipped). THANK YOU! It's been many years since I took physics classes...

Cheers,
jeff
 
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You don't need to convert to metric, the gravity force parallel to incline is ( 3000 )(sin 10 ) pounds or 520 pounds.
 
I see. That makes sense. I also see I didn't need to convert to mass by dividing by g then multiplying by g... I assume that I am correct that the gravity force parallel to incline is in fact what I am looking for, the load on the tow straps/tree?

Thank you!

Cheers,
Jeff
 
Yes correct. The D eyes need similar strength. You don't want the eyes to be the weak spot. Protect the straps from cutting into the tree. The loading is rather small I would say.
 

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