Really complicated solve for x problem

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The problem involves finding the value of x in a complex equation defined by a function f(x), which includes a combination of algebraic and trigonometric components. The specific equation is f(x) = (x)×√(49-x²) + 49sin⁻¹(x/7), and the task is to determine x when f(x) equals 49/6π.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the limitations of algebraic methods for solving the equation and suggest graphing as a potential approach. There is also consideration of using trigonometric substitution, with questions about its applicability outside of integration contexts. Some participants express frustration with the complexity of the problem and the challenges faced in finding a solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored, including graphing and substitution methods. Some participants have provided guidance on the use of trigonometric substitution, while others have shared their experiences with the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on a definitive method.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that this problem is part of a "critical thinking" assignment and that it is considered more challenging than typical exam questions. There is also mention of previous exposure to trigonometric substitution primarily in the context of integration.

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really complicated "solve for x" problem.. please help..

Homework Statement


[This is the final step in a "critical thinking" problem assigned as extra practice/intense application] Find the value of x, for the given equation, when f(x) = \frac{49}{6}\pi


f(x) = \left(x\right)\times\sqrt{49-x^2} + 49sin^{-1}\left(\frac{x}{7}\right)



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(This is where I need help, I have tried moving around the values, sqaring both sides, applying e and ln; my T.A. could only think of plugging f(x) into a graphing calculator and tracing to y = \frac{49}{6}\pi)
*A big question I have is if trig-substitution (aside from integration) can be used, or another method I am not "equipped with," with simplifications.



The Attempt at a Solution


This is what is left after integrating a problem, the answer should be ~1.85 (from graphing/tracing). I tried simplifying using regular relationships:

sin^{-1}\left(\frac{x}{7}\right) = \frac{1}{6}\pi - \left(x\sqrt{49-x^2}\right)\div49
 
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You're not going to be able to solve this by algebraic means. The simplest approach is to graph the function and see what value of x gives a y value of 49pi/6.
 
Hi phys-lexic! :wink:

Try the obvious substitution. :smile:
 


I understand algebraic means won't help, which is why I'm posting this question.

Trig-substitution is what I was thinking, but is that applicable when not integrating? (We were only introduced to trig-substitutions with integrals, for obvious reasons)
 
phys-lexic said:
Trig-substitution is what I was thinking, but is that applicable when not integrating?

Yes! You can always substitute, if you think it will make the problem easier. :smile:
 


Would be a lot simpler if there was only a way to make that first term go to zero...
 


If f(x)=y, substitute Sqrt[a^2-x^2]=dy/dx, then it reduces to the standard form dy/dx +Py=Q
 


Aah.. I tried it out a few times and ended up going in circles. Thankyou anyways everyone, now I know why this question is "way harder than the exam would be."
 

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