Really with lab derivation -- Rolling objects down an incline

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This discussion focuses on deriving the theoretical time for rolling objects down an incline using conservation of energy principles. The equation derived is t(theoretical) = sqrt((2(1+c)d)/(gsin(theta))), where 'c' represents the moment of inertia ratio. The user successfully applies the conservation of energy equation and average velocity concepts but struggles with the hollow cylinder's moment of inertia. The discussion emphasizes the importance of substituting the correct moment of inertia into the energy equations for accurate results.

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Homework Statement


So I attached the page from the lab with the directions for the derivation. It may be easier to view that document. The lab was set up was taking two objects and rolling them down an incline. The time was measured using photo gates. Basically, I need to use conservation of energy and the equation of average velocity with constant acceleration to derive t(theoretical)=sqrt((2(1+c)d)/(gsin(theta)))
I= moment of inertia
w=omega
k=kinetic energy
U=potential energy
m=mass
g=acceleration due to gravity
d=x=distance
v=velocity
R=radius
i=initial
f=final
t=translation
r=rotation

Homework Equations


conservation of energy: (delta)k(translation)+(delta)k(rotational)+(delta)U(gravitational)=0
average velocity=((delta)x)/((delta)t)=(V(initial)+V(final))/2
moment of inertia(sphere)=CMR^2
moment of inertia(Hollow cylinder)=(M(R^2(inner radius)+R^2(outer radius))/2

The Attempt at a Solution


So Heres my attempt for the sphere, pretty lost for the hollow cylinder, I'm guessing I just replace the moment of inertia in the work energy theory?

and sorry ahead of time could not find the subscript symbol so the (i) (t) (g) (f) and (r) should be sub scripted

(delta)k(translation)+(delta)k(rotational)+(delta)U(gravitational)=0
k(i)(r)+k(i)(t) +U(g)(i)=k(f)(r) + k(f)(t) +U(g)(f)
0 +0 +m*g*y=(1/2)*m*v^2(f) + (1/2)I*w^2 +0
sin(theta)D*g=(v^2(f))/2 + (1/2)*c*m*R^2(f)*(v(f)/R)^2

sqrt((2sin(theta)*D*g)/(1+c))=v(f)

then I know I'm supposed to plug this into the average velocity equation but it just yields nonsense. So would appreciate any help. This is my first post on here so let me know if I formatted anything wrong. And also what should I do for the hollow cylinder? do I just replace the the moment of inertia in the conservation of energy with the hollow cylinder's one? and wouldn't that yield a different t(theoretical). Thanks to anyone willing to help.
 

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Dusty912 said:
I'm supposed to plug this into the average velocity equation but it just yields nonsense.
Please post this step in your working.
 

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