Rearrange formula and work out phase angle

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The discussion revolves around determining the phase angle of a sinusoidal function given certain parameters, including amplitude and frequency. Participants are exploring the implications of these values on the phase angle calculation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss methods for calculating the phase angle, including using specific time values and graph readings. There are questions about the necessity of units for amplitude and whether the phase angle can be inferred from the graph at specific points, such as t = 0.

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There is a variety of approaches being considered, with some participants offering guidance on how to derive the phase angle from the sinusoidal equation. The conversation reflects differing interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the calculation methods and assumptions about the graph.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the units of amplitude and the implications of the graph's behavior at t = 0, indicating potential gaps in the information provided or assumptions made in the problem setup.

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work out what ip, f and phase angle is, then rearrange the formula to make t the subject and find out at what point in time does 6.78 amp occur
i = Ipsin (2pi f t - phase angle)

so far i think Ip = 10 f = 1000hz
struggling with the phase angle
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i = Ipsin (2pi f t - phase angle)
so far i think Ip = 10 f = 1000hz
struggling with the phase angle
 
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I confirm your amplitude and frequency values.
To get the phase angle, plug in a value for t, read off the y value from the graph and solve the equation. You will need to do that for at least two points because of the ambiguity in evaluating ##\arcsin##.
 
Shouldn't the amplitude have units?
haruspex said:
To get the phase angle, plug in a value for t, read off the y value from the graph and solve the equation. You will need to do that for at least two points because of the ambiguity in evaluating ##\arcsin##.
Can the phase angle not be obtained by noting that at t = 0 the sinusoidal is at a minimum?
 
kuruman said:
Shouldn't the amplitude have units?

Can the phase angle not be obtained by noting that at t = 0 the sinusoidal is at a minimum?
I should have written "you may have to". I was trying to be general.
 
i could be very wrong here, but i worked out the angle to be 90 degrees ?
i full cycle of the wave is 0.001 s and the delay from 0 is 0.00025 s
360 x 0.00025 / 0.001 = 90
 
That's not what @haruspex suggested ... but I agree.

Easy:
##I = I_p\sin (2\pi f t - \phi)\quad ## pick ##t=0## and solve ##\sin(-\phi)=-1\ ##

Personally, I prefer to imagine the graph for ##\phi = 0## and conclude that a shift of ##-{\pi\over 4}## to the right yields the given graph. Therefore ##\ -\phi=-{\pi\over 4}##

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