Rearranging for x in Algebraic Manipulation Homework

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The problem involves rearranging an equation to solve for x in terms of G, M, m, and r, specifically starting from the equation \(\frac{{GM}}{{x^2 }} = \frac{{Gm}}{{(r - x)^2 }}\). Participants are exploring algebraic manipulation techniques to isolate x.

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  • Participants discuss various algebraic steps taken to manipulate the equation, including multiplying both sides by certain terms and applying the quadratic formula. Questions arise regarding specific steps and the handling of constants like G.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some have pointed out mistakes in the algebraic manipulation, while others have suggested alternative methods for simplifying the equation. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are navigating through potential errors in their calculations, such as missing signs and the relevance of constants in the equation. The original poster expresses confusion about managing powers of x, indicating a need for clarification on algebraic principles.

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Hey I need to rearrange the following, and find x in terms of G, M, m, r
[tex]\frac{{GM}}{{x^2 }} = \frac{{Gm}}{{\left( {r - x} \right)^2 }}[/tex]

2. The attempt at a solution

I haven't manged to get far with this problem as I am confused about the powers of x and how to manage them. This is where I have manged to get to:
[tex] \begin{array}{c}<br /> \frac{{GM}}{{x^2 }} = \frac{{Gm}}{{\left( {r - x} \right)^2 }} \\ <br /> x^2 \left( {r - x} \right)^2 = GM\left( {Gm} \right) \\ <br /> x^2 \left( {r^2 - 2rx + x^2 } \right) = G^2 Mm \\ <br /> r^2 x^2 - 2rx^3 + x^4 = G^2 Mm \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

Any help is greatly appreciated, many thanks in advance,
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What've you done in your first line? i.e. how does the original equation become x2(r-x)2=GM(Gm) ?
 
I have an idea.. multiply both sides by (1/G) or divide by G..
Then you'd get mx^2=M(r-x)^2 and work from there.
 
Could use the quadratic formula
 
Thanks cristo for having pointed out that stupid mistake.Pugfug90, your method doesn't seem to work, but thanks anyhow. Danago, thanks for your suggestion, as i have used it. Here is what i have managed to come up with:

[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \frac{{GM}}{{x^2 }} = \frac{{Gm}}{{\left( {r - x} \right)^2 }} \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r - x} \right)^2 \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r - x} \right)\left( {r - x} \right) \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r^2 - 2rx + x^2 } \right) \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GMr^2 - 2GMrx + GMx^2 \\ <br /> - GMr^2 = - 2GMrx + GMx^2 - Gmx^2 \\ <br /> GMr^2 = 2GMrx - GMx^2 + Gmx^2 \\ <br /> 0 = \left( {Gm - GM} \right)x^2 + 2GMrx - GMr^2 \\ <br /> x = \frac{{ - b \pm \sqrt {b^2 - 4ac} }}{{2a}} \\ <br /> x = \frac{{ - 2GMr \pm \sqrt {\left( {2GMr} \right)^2 - 4\left( {Gm - GM} \right)\left( {GMr^2 } \right)} }}{{2\left( {Gm - GM} \right)}} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

thanks once again for the help from those who replied
 
Why not cancel the G on both sides in the first line? There's no need to carry it through the calculation then.
 
oh true, thanks
other than that are my steps right?
thanks
 
unique_pavadrin said:
oh true, thanks
other than that are my steps right?
thanks
Not quite:
unique_pavadrin said:
[tex] \begin{array}{l}<br /> \frac{{GM}}{{x^2 }} = \frac{{Gm}}{{\left( {r - x} \right)^2 }} \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r - x} \right)^2 \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r - x} \right)\left( {r - x} \right) \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GM\left( {r^2 - 2rx + x^2 } \right) \\ <br /> Gmx^2 = GMr^2 - 2GMrx + GMx^2 \\ <br /> - GMr^2 = - 2GMrx + GMx^2 - Gmx^2 \\ <br /> GMr^2 = 2GMrx - GMx^2 + Gmx^2 \\ <br /> 0 = \left( {Gm - GM} \right)x^2 + 2GMrx - GMr^2 \\ <br /> x = \frac{{ - b \pm \sqrt {b^2 - 4ac} }}{{2a}} \\ <br /> x = \frac{{ - 2GMr \pm \sqrt {\left( {2GMr} \right)^2 - 4\left( {Gm - GM} \right)\left( {GMr^2 } \right)} }}{{2\left( {Gm - GM} \right)}} \\ <br /> \end{array}[/tex]

You missed a minus sign in the last line: it should read (without the G's)[tex]x=\frac{-2Mr\pm\sqrt{4r^2M^2+4(m-M)Mr^2}}{2(m-M)}[/tex]
 
kill the G!
 
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okay thanks cristo, that was great help thanks
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