Rearranging Formulas: Finding W in Terms of M and L

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The discussion revolves around rearranging a formula to solve for W in terms of M and L. Participants explore the steps involved in manipulating the equation, addressing both mathematical operations and formatting challenges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the original formula and expresses confusion about rearranging it: M = (((W x L / 2) x (L / 2)) - ((W x L / 2) x (L / 4))).
  • Another participant suggests multiplying the entire equation by 4 to simplify the terms.
  • A participant reformats the equation and attempts to clarify their steps, expressing uncertainty about dividing by L and applying operations correctly.
  • One participant advises against using "x" for multiplication, suggesting alternatives like WL or W*L for clarity.
  • A later reply proposes factoring out W from the equation after simplifying the fractions.
  • Another participant confirms the rearrangement and provides the final form of W in terms of M and L as W = 8M / L².

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While there is a progression towards a solution, the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and uncertainty about the steps involved in rearranging the formula. Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial steps, but there is agreement on the final expression for W.

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Participants express confusion regarding the application of mathematical operations, particularly in relation to the structure of the formula. There are also concerns about notation and clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Hi,

I have a formula which I need to rearrange but it's been a while since I covered this at school, I've tried to read up and re-study but I keep getting confused about what I can/can't do to the various brackets.

The formula is:

M = (((W x L / 2) x (L / 2)) - ((W x L / 2) x (L / 4)))

I'm trying to rearrange in terms of W, so W = ...

Any help or advance anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Hi! Can you start by multiplying each term in this by 4? What do you get if you do that?

Is this the starting formula by the way?

$$M = \left( \frac{W \times L}{2} \times \frac{L}{2} \right) - \left( \frac{W \times L}{2} \times \frac{L}{4} \right)$$
 
Hi Jameson, Happy New Year and thanks very much for getting back to me!

So, the equation definitely looks better in that format (i was using microsoft excel before). I'll try to mutiply both terms by 4 below (Sorry, I'm not used to using proper math input formatting)...

\[ M=(\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{2}) - (\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{4}) \]

\[ Mx4=(\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{2}) x 4 - (\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{4})x 4 \]

\[ Mx4=(({W x Lx2}) x (Lx2)) - ({W x Lx2}) x L \]

Then, if that's right?... could i divide everything by 'L'?

\[ (\frac{Mx4}{L})=(({W x Lx2}) x L) - ({W x Lx2}) \]

I'm not really sure about that, or if it's right, where to go from here. Think I'm getting confused about which parts of the term i should apply the 'action' to (ie. both sides of the '-', or both sides of the 'x' on both sides of the '-')

Sorry, hard to explain in writing but really appreciate your help
 
Samwise-zambeezi said:
Hi Jameson, Happy New Year and thanks very much for getting back to me!

So, the equation definitely looks better in that format (i was using microsoft excel before). I'll try to mutiply both terms by 4 below (Sorry, I'm not used to using proper math input formatting)...

\[ M=(\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{2}) - (\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{4}) \]

\[ Mx4=(\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{2}) x 4 - (\frac{W x L}{2}) x (\frac{L}{4})x 4 \]

\[ Mx4=(({W x Lx2}) x (Lx2)) - ({W x Lx2}) x L \]

Then, if that's right?... could i divide everything by 'L'?

\[ (\frac{Mx4}{L})=(({W x Lx2}) x L) - ({W x Lx2}) \]

I'm not really sure about that, or if it's right, where to go from here. Think I'm getting confused about which parts of the term i should apply the 'action' to (ie. both sides of the '-', or both sides of the 'x' on both sides of the '-')

Sorry, hard to explain in writing but really appreciate your help
Please don't use "x" for times. It can get very confusing. Either just write WL or W*L or [math]W ]cdot L[/math].

[math]M = \left ( \dfrac{WL}{2} ~ \dfrac{L}{2} \right ) - \left ( \dfrac{WL}{2} ~ \dfrac{L}{4} \right )[/math]

[math]M = \dfrac{WL^2}{4} - \dfrac{WL^2}{8}[/math]

Factor the common W:
[math]M = W \left ( \dfrac{L^2}{4} - \dfrac{L^2}{8} \right )[/math]

Can you subtract the fractions?

-Dan
 
Aaah, think I've got it!

So:

\[ M = W (\frac{L^2}{4}−\frac{L^2}{8}) \]

\[ M = W (\frac{L^2}{8}) \]

\[ M / (\frac{L^2}{8}) = W \]Is that right? Looks right, thanks so much guys!
 
Otherwise known as [math]W = \dfrac{8M}{L^2}[/math].

Good job!

-Dan
 

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