Reason for Resistor Before an Op-Amp Follower?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of resistors in conjunction with operational amplifier (op-amp) followers in circuit design. Participants explore the rationale behind incorporating resistors between various op-amp configurations, such as adders and integrators, and the implications for circuit performance and design practices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of resistors between op-amp followers and other configurations, suggesting that followers should function adequately without them.
  • Another participant notes that any resistor value up to a megaohm could work due to the high input impedance and low output impedance of op-amps.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that followers may be redundant in circuits with a single voltage input and output, proposing that resistors might primarily contribute to the input resistance of subsequent op-amp applications.
  • One participant mentions that equal-value resistors in series with both inputs of voltage followers can help minimize offsets due to input bias currents.
  • Another participant proposes that the resistor in the original circuit might serve as a current limiter to protect the inputs from potential bias clamp diodes, especially if the output can exceed certain voltage levels.
  • It is also noted that resistors may be used to ensure similar impedances for transistors in the first stage of the op-amp, depending on the specific implementation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and function of resistors in circuits with op-amp followers. There is no consensus on whether these resistors are essential or merely a legacy from older designs.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the role of resistors, including their impact on input resistance, bias currents, and current limiting. The discussion does not resolve these aspects, leaving them open for further exploration.

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I'm designing a circuit for experimental use. I'll make this as quick as possible.

Browsing other circuit designs on the web, I initially noticed "followers" placed between other op-amp app's (adders, integrators, inverters, etc). From what I can tell, putting in followers like this must be a good practice in circuit design (because it provides some kind of "buffer" throughout the circuit?).

That said, why do I also see resistors (with seemingly random values) between adders and followers, integrators and followers, etc. Followers don't require an input resistance to do their job! Thus my confusion! Can't we just do without all those resistors?

To help illustrate my question, I've attached one example I saw. Why did the circuit designer choose to put a 49.9k resistor between the two op-amps? Should I incorporate this practice into my circuit design?

Thanks!
 

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I've always wondered this myself. You can substitute any resistor value up to a megaohm and it would still work because of its high input impedance, and low output impedance.
 
what said:
I've always wondered this myself. You can substitute any resistor value up to a megaohm and it would still work because of its high input impedance, and low output impedance.

Right, that makes sense. Now my thinking is this: For a circuit with one voltage input and output (and, say, lots of op-amps in the middle, as is my circuit), the followers aren't necessary - except, perhaps, one at the beginning to act as a "buffer". So I think that many of the followers I see in these old circuits might just be redundant "hand-me downs" from modifications done to some older circuit.

If that's the case, then I'm going to consider all the "mystery" resistors as just contributing to the input resistance to whatever op-amp app (adder, integrator, etc) that comes next in the circuit.

Of course, I'd feel more at ease if a bit more was said about the actual implementation of followers into circuits somewhere.
 
Hello Higgy-
To minimize offsets due to input bias currents in voltage followers, there should be an equal-value resistor in series with both inputs.
Bob S
 
The resistor in Higgy's circuit is probably for current limiting, not bias current balancing. If the output of the first opamp can go below ground or exceed vcc on the second then is could bias clamp diodes that protect the inputs. The series resistor limits the current into the clamp. See this datasheet for an example: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/opa348.html

If the first stage of the opamp is a BJT then people also use resistors so that those transistors see similar impedances (or if there is an initial chopper stage). But if this was the case then the feedback path would not be a short but another 49.9K R. There are good reasons to do this to but it depends on the implementation of the amp.
 

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