Reconciling Quantum Interactions and Spacetime: Is a Manifold Necessary?

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This discussion centers on the relationship between tensors, quantum interactions, and the necessity of a manifold in the context of general relativity and quantum gravity. It is established that tensors describe the curvature of spacetime, which is inherently linked to mass presence. The forum participants agree that while tensors require a manifold, exploring quantum gravity without a manifold remains a theoretical possibility, albeit without a current compelling framework. The discussion references "Einstein Algebras" by R. Geroch as a potentially valuable resource for further exploration.

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Hello forum!

I would like to begin by stating that I am no expert in general relativity, nor in physics or mathematics, although I have some basic understanding of calculus and linear algebra. So if you can keep the math simple, I would appreciate. Also, please correct me if I'm wrong.

As I understand so far, tensors are used to describe the curvature of spacetime due to the presence of mass. But this would imply that quantum effects are taking place on a manifold.
My question is the following : Could tensors be used to describe the direction of quantum interactions on a macroscopic scale without the need of a spacetime with it's own geometry in the background?

Thank you for your time.

P.S : If this is in the wrong sub-forum and should be in ''Quantum Physics'', I apologize.
 
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Tensors exist on a manifold. The manifold in GR is spacetime. If you still want to use tensors, then you have to have a manifold. You could replace the spacetime manifold with something else if you want, but as long as you want tensors around, you need to have a manifold.

If you want to try to formulate a quantum gravity without a manifold, then you will be without tensors. Nobody says that this is impossible. Nobody has found a consistent and compelling theory of quantum gravity yet, so I don't think we can rule things out at this point.
 
Thank you robphy! Very interesting indeed.
 

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