Recrystallizing but not getting any crystals

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The discussion centers on the challenges of recrystallizing lidocaine HCl from methanol, where the user experienced a lack of crystal formation and ended up with a gooey residue after evaporation. Key insights include the importance of achieving a supersaturated solution and the potential benefits of using a seed crystal to promote crystallization. Additionally, the discussion highlights that rapid evaporation can lead to oil-like substances instead of crystals. Users are advised to explore different solvent mixtures and allow more time for crystallization to occur.

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I am trying to recrystallizing lidocaine out of methanol. I created a saturated solution of lidocaine and hot methanol, waited for it to cool to room temperature, then threw it in a cool water bath. There was no recrystallization. I decided to evaporate the methanol to recover my lidocaine and start over again, but after evaporating the lidocaine in a hot water bath, I was left with a transparent gooey substance in my beaker. Usually when I dissolve something into a solvent and evaporate off that solvent, crystals will form (even though they may not be pure). What happened here? And how can I recover my lidocaine?

EDIT: Just to be clear, this is lidocaine HCl.
 
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JG89 said:
I am trying to recrystallizing lidocaine out of methanol. I created a saturated solution of lidocaine and hot methanol, waited for it to cool to room temperature, then threw it in a cool water bath. There was no recrystallization. I decided to evaporate the methanol to recover my lidocaine and start over again, but after evaporating the lidocaine in a hot water bath, I was left with a transparent gooey substance in my beaker. Usually when I dissolve something into a solvent and evaporate off that solvent, crystals will form (even though they may not be pure). What happened here? And how can I recover my lidocaine?

EDIT: Just to be clear, this is lidocaine HCl.

Getting an oil instead of crystals is very common, especially on rapid evaporation.
Are you sure your solution was supersaturated? Sometimes you have to wait for days until crystals form, so you could leave your solution for some time in the fridge and see what happens. You could also add a small amount of crude lidocaine to your solution to act as a seed.
 
Another thing to check out is that certain salts of organic compounds are not always the easiest to prepare and subsequently purify, for any number of reasons. If you just need a pure lidocaine salt, you might want to switch it up and make your life easier if the hydrochloride salt continues to be ill-behaved.

I presume you checked the suitability of various solvents/solvent mixtures for recrystallizing lidocaine - if you haven't, that's something that should be done as well.
 
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