Rectangles: Smallest Perimeter for Given Area, Greatest Area for Given Perimeter

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The discussion revolves around two mathematical problems related to rectangles: determining the rectangle with the smallest perimeter for a given area and the rectangle with the greatest area for a given perimeter. The subject area includes optimization and properties of geometric shapes.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss expressing one variable in terms of another to optimize the perimeter based on a fixed area and vice versa. There are mentions of deriving equations and using calculus to find critical points, as well as hints about the nature of quadratic functions.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggested approaches for optimizing the equations related to perimeter and area. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables and the implications of fixed values, but no consensus has been reached on the solutions.

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Participants note that the area and perimeter are fixed values, which influences the equations being discussed. There are indications of uncertainty regarding the specific values and relationships that need to be clarified further.

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Homework Statement


a) Show that of all the rectangles with a given area, the one with the smallest perimeter is a square.
b) Show that of all the rectangles with a given perimeter, the one with the greatest are is a square.


Homework Equations


As=x2
AR=xy
Ps = 4x
PR= 2x+2y

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know how to do this any help?
 
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Suppose that you have a rectangle with sides x and y.
So for a), the area A is fixed, which allows you to express y in terms of A and x.
Now the equation for the perimeter can be written in terms of x only, this will give you an equation which you can optimise for x.

The same is true for b, if you assume a fixed perimeter p. Perhaps b is even easier to start with, because you get the quadratic equation immediately.

Hint: what does the graph of f(x) = ax2 + bx + c look like and what is the x value of the maximum or minimum?

(That you will get the smallest perimeter in a but the largest area in b can also be seen from the formulas, by the way: when is the function value at the x that I asked you about in the hint a maximum? And when is it a minimum?).
 
for the rectangle

P=2x+2y
A=xy

y=A/x

p=2x+2A/x

take the derivative

p'=2+ (A'-xA)/x^2

solve for zero

2x^2 - Ax + A' = 0

x = [A +- sqrt(A^2 -8A')/4]

y= A / [A +- sqrt(A^2 -8A')/4]

P = 2[A +- sqrt(A^2 -8A')/4]+ A/[A +- sqrt(A^2 -8A')/4]for square

P=4x
A=x^2

x= sqrt(A)

P=4sqrt(A)
 
Note that the area of the rectangle is fixed as it is given. So A' = ... ?
This will simplify your equation greatly.

By the way, note that for a function
f(x) = a x2 + b x + c
the extremum (minimum or maximum, depending on the sign of a) is always at
x = - b / 2a
(following from f'(x) = 2ax + b = 0, or the fact that the extremum lies exactly between the two roots x = - b / 2a + sqrt(D) / 2a and x = - b / 2a - sqrt(D) / 2a of f(x)).

For the second one, note that the rectangular perimeter 2x + 2y is fixed to the value p. You don't know a priori that x = y, but what can you say about the area A = xy ?
 

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