Recycling along convergent ocean trenches

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the feasibility of utilizing convergent ocean trenches for recycling nuclear material and heavy metals, questioning whether returning these materials to the Earth is a viable solution. The scope includes theoretical considerations and environmental implications.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of using ocean trenches for recycling nuclear material and heavy metals, suggesting it could be a way to return materials to their origin.
  • Another participant argues against the feasibility, highlighting that ocean trenches are not geologically stable and are prone to corrosion and earthquakes, which could expose hazardous waste to the environment.
  • A third participant references Yucca Mountain as a more suitable site for waste disposal due to its remote and stable characteristics, contrasting it with the conditions of ocean trenches.
  • One participant notes that subduction is slow and that chemically altered subducting plates can lead to the release of hazardous materials through mud volcanoes on the seafloor.
  • Another participant expresses a sentiment that the idea of using ocean trenches is not a good one, reflecting on the challenges of finding viable solutions for waste management.
  • One participant comments on the lack of good ideas for environmental cleanup, suggesting a broader concern about the state of actionable solutions available to humanity.
  • A participant shares a personal experience from Afghanistan, implying a need for effective and manageable solutions for global environmental issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the feasibility of using ocean trenches for recycling hazardous materials, with multiple competing views presented regarding the environmental implications and the stability of such a solution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on geological stability definitions, assumptions about the behavior of materials in subduction zones, and unresolved concerns regarding the long-term management of hazardous waste.

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What is the feasability to utilizing the convergent ocean trenches as a means of recycling nuclear material and heavy metals? Basically, return to the Earth where the stuff came from in first place?
 
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It's not feasible, and even if it were, it would be a very bad idea.

Compare with Yucca Mountain, which was selected because it is remote, arid, and geologically stable. The latter two characteristics are essential so as to avoid problems with corrosion and earthquakes exposing the hazardous waste to the environment. The remoteness provides a contingency in case of exposure. Those ocean trenches are remote, but they are anything but arid and geologically stable. The immense pressure and salty water is a perfect environment for corrosion, and those subduction zones are the sites of the most intense earthquakes on the planet. Sans an unobtanium barrel, the waste will be exposed to the environment in short order, well before subduction draws the materials downward.
 
Would be nice if we could ever get Yucc Mountain open and running.
 
there are more reasons.

Subduction is very slow and
...at relatively shallow levels, subducting plates start to be chemically altered, releasing a slurry of serpentine minerals to erupt in large mud volcanoes on the seafloor.
 
So, not a good idea after all :-(
 
Don't worry, the problem is that there are so very few good ideas remaining with all the increasing knowledge levels of humanity.
 
Spent 2 years in Afghanistan, the place is a dump. Figure with all the best and brightest, real, actionable, managable solutions for cleaning up the planet should be available.
 

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