Refraction of wavefront in water

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The discussion revolves around the refraction of water waves at the interface between shallow and deep water, exploring how wave speed and density relate to the bending of wavefronts and rays.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the implications of wave speed in shallow versus deep water and whether waves speed up or slow down when transitioning between these regions. There is consideration of how this affects the bending of rays and wavefronts.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning assumptions about density and wave speed, with some suggesting that deeper water may be considered a rarer medium, leading to different interpretations of the refraction behavior. There is a mix of opinions on how to visualize the problem, with some preferring to think in terms of rays.

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There is a reference to the problem statement mentioning density, which has led to confusion regarding the relationship between wave speed and depth. Participants are considering the implications of this reference on their understanding of the problem.

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I think the water waves will undergo refraction from the interface and since it is denser , it should bend towards the normal .

By that logic 4) should be correct , but this is incorrect .

I might be applying wrong concept in this problem .
 

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You will need to know how the wave speed in deep water compares to the wave speed in shallow water. Deeper is not analogous to denser.
 
TSny said:
Deeper is not analogous to denser.

This is mentioned in the problem statement .
 
Jahnavi said:
This is mentioned in the problem statement .
Yes. That seems strange to me. Anyway, the answer will depend on whether water waves speed up or slow down when passing from shallow to deep. A web search should provide the answer.
 
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TSny said:
Anyway, the answer will depend on whether water waves speed up or slow down when passing from shallow to deep.

Water waves will speed up , which means the deeper region acts as rarer medium for waves . Waves should bend away from normal .
 
But then which one bends away from normal ?
 
I like to think in terms of rays rather than wavefronts when considering "bending toward the normal" or "away from the normal". So, I find it helpful to draw some rays as well as wavefronts.

If the waves travel faster in the deep water, then do the rays bend toward or away from the normal when crossing the interface?

(I'm not feeling confident about this problem due to the reference to "denser".)
 
By the way arrow in the picture represents a ray ?

TSny said:
If the waves travel faster in the deep water, then do the rays bend toward or away from the normal when crossing the interface?

Away from normal .

And since wavefront would be perpendicular to refracted ray , option 2) looks a possible option as the refracted wavefront .

Is that correct ?
 
Jahnavi said:
By the way arrow in the picture represents a ray ?
Yes
Away from normal .
Yes

And since wavefront would be perpendicular to refracted ray , option 2) looks a possible option as the refracted wavefront .
How would the direction of a ray for wavefront II compare to the direction of the ray in the shallow region?

I hope I'm not misleading you regarding the change in wave speed. The speed of waves in very deep water depends on the frequency of the waves while the speed of waves in very shallow water depends on the depth of the water and not the frequency. For intermediate depths the speed depends on both the frequency and depth. So, I'm not sure it's generally true that waves speed up when suddenly going from a shallow region to a deep region. I was thinking of the explanation that some people give for why ocean waves "break" when approaching the beach. They claim it's due to the waves slowing down as they move into the shallow region. Maybe the problem is intending you to use the reference to "denser" as indicating that the waves actually slow down in going to the deeper region. Hopefully, others will provide some guidance.
 
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TSny said:
Maybe the problem is intending you to use the reference to "denser" as indicating that the waves actually slow down in going to the deeper region.

Assuming this , the refracted ray bends towards the normal .The wavefront which is perpendicular to this refracted ray is I) which is actually the given answer :smile:

If you assume for the time being that deeper is denser , then would you agree that refracted ray bends towards the normal and refracted wavefront would be I ) ?
 
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Jahnavi said:
Assuming this , the refracted ray bends towards the normal .The wavefront which is perpendicular to this refracted ray is I) which is actually the given answer :smile:

If you assume for the time being that deeper is denser , then would you agree that refracted ray bends towards the normal and refracted wavefront would be I ) ?
Yes!
 
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Thanks !
 

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