Regarding Upper and lower integral sets.

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The discussion revolves around the definitions of upper and lower integrals as presented in Apostol's work, specifically focusing on the set of integrals derived from step functions that are below a given function f. Participants express confusion regarding the nature of the set S, which is defined as containing all integrals of step functions under f.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the set S should be a singleton, suggesting it should only contain the summation of the area of all step functions below f.
  • Another participant clarifies that the integral refers to the numerical value of each step function satisfying the condition s < f, leading to a collection of numbers in S.
  • Some participants reiterate that performing the integral \int_{a}^{b} s(x) dx yields a single numerical value for each step function, implying that the definition of integration should lead to a summation of these values.

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Participants express differing views on whether the set S should contain multiple elements or just a single value. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the nature of S.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the definitions and implications of the upper and lower integrals, particularly regarding the treatment of step functions and their contributions to the set S.

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I am having some doubts in the definitions of the upper and lower integrals in apostol.

There is a statement saying "Let S denote the set of all numbers [itex]_{a}[/itex][itex]\int[/itex] [itex]^{b}[/itex] s(x) dx obtained as s runs through all step functions below f i.e. S = { [itex]_{a}[/itex][itex]\int[/itex] [itex]^{b}[/itex] s(x) dx | s < f} "

I did not get this. Shouldn't S be a singleton with a only a single element being the summation of the area of all the step functions below f ?
 
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From what I get, the integral refers to the numerical value of the step function

satisfying the condition s<f. So for each such step function you get the associated

number, so you end with S as a collection of numbers.
 
Bacle2 said:
From what I get, the integral refers to the numerical value of the step function

satisfying the condition s<f. So for each such step function you get the associated

number, so you end with S as a collection of numbers.

When I do a [itex]\int[/itex][itex]_{a}[/itex][itex]^{b}[/itex] s(x) dx I should have single number no? Even if he is considering different values for the step functions he should finally sum it up because the definition of integration says so right?
 
nascentmind said:
When I do a [itex]\int[/itex][itex]_{a}[/itex][itex]^{b}[/itex] s(x) dx I should have single number no? Even if he is considering different values for the step functions he should finally sum it up because the definition of integration says so right?

That sounds right; for each choice of step function you get a numerical value-- the

Riemann integral of the step function.
 

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