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The discussion revolves around identifying and visualizing the regions of continuity for the functions \( f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y) \) and \( f(x,y)=\cos^{-1}(xy) \) using Geogebra. Participants explore the theoretical aspects of continuity, domain, and the implications of these concepts in the context of graphical representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that describing the region of continuity requires analysis of the functions, including identifying the domain and points of discontinuity.
  • One participant identifies the domain of \( f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y) \) as \( \{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\} \) and states that the range is \( \mathbb{R} \).
  • Another participant questions the definition of points of discontinuity, suggesting they are points in the domain where limits do not exist or differ from function values.
  • Participants discuss the Hessian matrix of \( f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y) \) and its implications for concavity, noting that the function is concave based on the eigenvalues of the Hessian.
  • There is a discussion about the continuity of \( f(x,y)=\cos^{-1}(xy) \) and its domain being \( \{(x,y)\in\mathbb{R}^2\mid xy\in[-1,1]\} \).
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the need to draw specific aspects in Geogebra and what exactly should be represented.
  • One participant mentions that Geogebra can automatically show the regions where the functions are continuous, which may simplify the task.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of the domains for the functions discussed, but there is some uncertainty regarding the nature of points of discontinuity and the implications of continuity in relation to the domain. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact graphical representation needed in Geogebra.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the relationship between continuity and domain, as well as the definitions of points of discontinuity. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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Hey! :o

I am looking the following:

Describe and draw with Geogebra the region where the following functions are continuous:
  1. $f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y)$
  2. $f(x,y)=\cos^{-1}(xy)$

Do we have to find the region manually or is it possible to find it also using Geogebra? (Wondering)
 
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Hey mathmari!

'Describe' seems to imply that we should do some analysis.
Drawing a region with Geogebra should then show what we found and/or give us some clues to what we should perhaps have described. And we might include additional objects in Geogebra to show what we found in an analysis. (Thinking)

Usual items for analysis are:
  • Identify domain.
  • Identify range.
  • Find points of discontinuity and/or singular points.
  • EDIT (added): Find zeroes, or more generally intersections with the coordinate planes and/or axes.
  • Find extrema.
  • Find inflection points and identify where the the function is convex, concave, or has saddle points.
  • Find asymptotes.
(Thinking)
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
'Describe' seems to imply that we should do some analysis.
Drawing a region with Geogebra should then show what we found and/or give us some clues to what we should perhaps have described. And we might include additional objects in Geogebra to show what we found in an analysis. (Thinking)

Ahh ok! Let's consider the first function $f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y)$.

Klaas van Aarsen said:
Identify domain.

It must hold $x-3y>0 \Rightarrow x>3y$. Therefore the domain is $\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\}$.
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Identify range.

The range f a logarithmic function is $\mathbb{R}$, therefore the range of $f$ is $\mathbb{R}$.
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Find points of discontinuity and/or singular points.

Aren't these the points that don't belong to the domain? (Wondering)
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Find extrema.

We have that $\nabla f=(0,0)\Rightarrow \left (\frac{1}{x-3y}, -\frac{3}{x-3y}\right )=(0,0)$. Since this cannot hold, there are no extrema.
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Find inflection points and identify where the the function is convex, concave, or has saddle points.

The Hessian matrix is $\begin{pmatrix}-\frac{1}{(x-3y)^2} & \frac{3}{(x-3y)^2} \\ \frac{3}{(x-3y)^2} & -\frac{9}{(x-3y)^2}\end{pmatrix}$. The eigenvalues are $-\frac{10}{(x-3y)^2}$ and $0$. These are non-positive, and so the matrix is negative semi-definite and so the function is concave. Is that correct? (Wondering)
Klaas van Aarsen said:
Find asymptotes.

For that we have to calculate the limits as $x\rightarrow \infty$, $y\rightarrow \infty$, $x\rightarrow 3y$, or not? (Wondering)
 
Why isn't the region where a function is continuous not equal to the domain of the function? (Wondering)

Why isn't t as follows? Let's consider the function $f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y)$. So that it is defined it must hold that $x-3y>0\Rightarrow x>3y$. Therefore the domain is $\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\}$.

Since the function $\ln$ and the map $(x,y)\mapsto x-3y$ are continuous, the function $f(x,y)$ is also continuous. Therefore the region where the function is continuous is $\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\}$.
Let's consider the function $f(x,y)=\cos^{-1} (xy)$. The range of $\cos$ is $[-1,1]$ and so the domain of $\cos^{-1}$ is $[-1,1]$. Therefore the domain of $\cos^{-1} (xy)$ is $\{(x,y)\in\mathbb R^2\mid xy\in[-1,1]\}$.

Since the function $\cos^{-1}$ and the map $(x,y)\mapsto xy$ are continuous, the function $f(x,y)$ is also continuous. Therefore the region where the function is continuous is $\{(x,y)\in\mathbb R^2\mid xy\in[-1,1]\}$. (Wondering) Is that is correct, what do we have to draw in Geogebra? (Wondering)

I did the following:

View attachment 9605View attachment 9606 Is this what we have to draw? Or is it meant to darw something/somehow else? (Wondering)
 

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mathmari said:
Aren't these the points that don't belong to the domain?

Points of discontinuity are usually defined as points in the domain, such that a limit to them either does not exist, or is different from it.
In most cases we can tell because the derivative does not exist in that point then. (Thinking)

A point of singularity is if all partial derivatives of a parametrization are zero.
In our case of $(x,y)\mapsto (x,y,f(x,y))$ that is not possible because the partial derivative with respect to $x$ is $1\ne 0$. (Nerd)

mathmari said:
We have that $\nabla f=(0,0)\Rightarrow \left (\frac{1}{x-3y}, -\frac{3}{x-3y}\right )=(0,0)$. Since this cannot hold, there are no extrema.

The Hessian matrix is $\begin{pmatrix}-\frac{1}{(x-3y)^2} & \frac{3}{(x-3y)^2} \\ \frac{3}{(x-3y)^2} & -\frac{9}{(x-3y)^2}\end{pmatrix}$. The eigenvalues are $-\frac{10}{(x-3y)^2}$ and $0$. These are non-positive, and so the matrix is negative semi-definite and so the function is concave. Is that correct?

For that we have to calculate the limits as $x\rightarrow \infty$, $y\rightarrow \infty$, $x\rightarrow 3y$, or not?

All correct.

To be fair, finding asymptotes on a surface is a bit out of the way.Actually, I forgot one: find zeroes, or more generally the intersections with each of the coordinate planes and/or axes. (Thinking)
mathmari said:
Why isn't the region where a function is continuous not equal to the domain of the function?

Consider $h(x,y)=\operatorname{Step}(x+y)$. The function is discontinuous at all points where $x+y=0$. Those points are in the domain though. (Thinking)

mathmari said:
Why isn't t as follows? Let's consider the function $f(x,y)=\ln (x-3y)$. So that it is defined it must hold that $x-3y>0\Rightarrow x>3y$. Therefore the domain is $\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\}$.

Since the function $\ln$ and the map $(x,y)\mapsto x-3y$ are continuous, the function $f(x,y)$ is also continuous. Therefore the region where the function is continuous is $\{(x,y)\in \mathbb{R}^2\mid x>3y\}$.
Let's consider the function $f(x,y)=\cos^{-1} (xy)$. The range of $\cos$ is $[-1,1]$ and so the domain of $\cos^{-1}$ is $[-1,1]$. Therefore the domain of $\cos^{-1} (xy)$ is $\{(x,y)\in\mathbb R^2\mid xy\in[-1,1]\}$.

Since the function $\cos^{-1}$ and the map $(x,y)\mapsto xy$ are continuous, the function $f(x,y)$ is also continuous. Therefore the region where the function is continuous is $\{(x,y)\in\mathbb R^2\mid xy\in[-1,1]\}$.

That is correct. So these functions do not have discontinuities in their domain, and so there is nothing special to draw or to see for discontinuities.

mathmari said:
Is that is correct, what do we have to draw in Geogebra?

I did the following:

Is this what we have to draw? Or is it meant to draw something/somehow else?

Seems fine to me.
The function has been drawn where it is continuous. Geogebra actually already does that for us.
Additionally you have drawn the domain where the function is continuous, which highlights that. (Nod)
 

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