Fuel paradox arising from Galilean transformation?

In summary, the conversation discusses the Galilean Transformation and how it affects the equations used to describe the movement of objects in different frames of reference. It also touches on the concept of work and power in different frames and the potential for a fuel paradox due to the difference in calculations. The mistake lies in not accounting for the reactive acceleration of the Earth and the conservation of momentum. Furthermore, the conversation also presents an example of how the change in mechanical energy remains invariant under a Galilean transformation.
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Does the fuel paradox arise when the same engine operates with different power in different frames of reference?
I have encountered a problem related to the Galilean Transformation. Let's consider two observers who will be referred to as ##O## and ##O^{'}##, with their corresponding coordinates ##(t,x,y,z)## and ##(t^{′},x^{′},y^{′},z^{'})## respectively. They are initially at the same location, at time zero. Furthermore, observer ##O^{'}## moves away from observer ##O## as shown in the picture.
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Any point ##P## that does not move in relation to ##O## will be described by ##O^{'}## with the following equations: $$x_{P}'=x_{P}-vt,\quad{y'_{P}=y_{P},}\quad{z'_{P}=z_{P},}\quad{t'=t}.$$ If an object (for example a car) moves in relation to ##O## according to the equation $$x(t)=vt+\frac{1}{2}at^2,$$ ##O'## will describe this movement in the following way: $$x'(t)=x(t)-vt=\frac{1}{2}at^2.$$ Assuming that no resistance force is present, the resultant force is equal to the force of engine thrust. Of course, ##F=F'=ma## because ##\ddot{x}(t)=\ddot{x'}(t)=a##. Observer ##O## claims that the work done by the force of engine thrust is equal to $$W(t)=F\cdot{x(t)}=ma\left(vt+\frac{1}{2}at^2\right)=mavt+\frac{1}{2}ma^2t^2\mathrm{,}$$ whereas ##O'## observes that the engine has performed work equal to $$W'(t)=F'\cdot{x'(t)}=ma\left(\frac{1}{2}at^2\right)=\frac{1}{2}ma^2t^2.$$ Thus, ##O## concludes that the engine is operating at power $$P(t)=\frac{dW}{dt}(t)=mav+ma^2t,$$ while ##O'## considers that the engine power is equal to $$P'(t)=\frac{dW'}{dt}(t)=ma^2t.$$ Here is my question: If the same engine works with different power in two frames of reference, wouldn't it lead to the "fuel paradox"? In other words, according to ##O##, the fuel will be depleted faster than according to ##O'##. Of course, it can't be true. So, where is the mistake?
 
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In other words, according to ##O##, the fuel will be depleted faster than according to ##O'##. Of course, it can't be true. So, where is the mistake?
What about the work being done on the exhaust stream? [Always the answer in this flavor of paradox]
 
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Notice that momentum is not conserved in your example, so you don't have a closed system and energy is slipping out unaccounted for. Account for the reactive acceleration of the Earth and you will find your missing energy.

Edit: scooped by mere seconds!
 
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You don't need anything as elaborate as your calculations. If a ##2 \ kg## object increases its velocity from ##0## to ##1 \ m/s## in one frame, then it gains ##1J## of energy. But, in a frame where it changes from ##1## to ##2 \ m/s## it gains ##3J## of energy. This gives the same potential paradox when considerihg the energy supply.
 
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You don't need anything as elaborate as your calculations. If a ##2 \ kg## object increases its velocity from ##0## to ##1 \ m/s## in one frame, then it gains ##1J## of energy. But, in a frame where it changes from ##1## to ##2 \ m/s## it gains ##3J## of energy. This gives the same potential paradox when considerihg the energy supply.
To carry this scenario through, let us consider that this ##2 \text{ kg}## object gets its velocity increment by pushing off at ##1 \text{ m/s}## from an equally massive object. Our object moves off to the right at ##+1 \text{ m/s}## and the other object moves off to the left at ##-1 \text{ m/s}##.

In the original rest frame of the two objects, that is ##2J## of total energy increment, ##1J## for each.

In a frame where the two objects start at ##1 \text{m/s}##, that is ##-1J## for the left hand object and ##+3J## for the right hand object. The total is ##2J##. Same as before.

The change in mechanical energy is invariant under a Galilean transformation to a new inertial frame. Also under a Lorentz transform as it turns out, though the formula for mechanical energy needs to be corrected for that to work.
 
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1. What is the fuel paradox arising from Galilean transformation?

The fuel paradox arising from Galilean transformation refers to the discrepancy between the amount of fuel needed to power a spacecraft according to Newtonian mechanics versus the amount of fuel needed according to Einstein's theory of relativity. According to Newtonian mechanics, as the speed of the spacecraft increases, the amount of fuel needed to maintain that speed also increases. However, according to Einstein's theory of relativity, as the speed of the spacecraft approaches the speed of light, the amount of fuel needed decreases. This creates a paradox as the two theories have conflicting predictions.

2. How does the Galilean transformation affect the fuel paradox?

The Galilean transformation is a mathematical equation that describes how the laws of motion change when viewed from different frames of reference. In the context of the fuel paradox, the Galilean transformation allows us to compare the predictions of Newtonian mechanics and Einstein's theory of relativity. It shows that as the speed of the spacecraft approaches the speed of light, the predictions of Newtonian mechanics become increasingly inaccurate, while the predictions of Einstein's theory become more accurate.

3. Can the fuel paradox be resolved?

Yes, the fuel paradox can be resolved by using Einstein's theory of relativity to calculate the amount of fuel needed to power a spacecraft. This theory takes into account the effects of time dilation and length contraction at high speeds, which results in a decrease in the amount of fuel needed to maintain a certain speed. By using this theory, the predictions are in line with experimental observations and the paradox is resolved.

4. How does the fuel paradox impact space travel?

The fuel paradox has significant implications for space travel as it affects the design and efficiency of spacecraft. By understanding the paradox and using Einstein's theory of relativity to calculate fuel needs, spacecraft can be designed to use less fuel and achieve higher speeds. This can lead to more efficient and cost-effective space travel.

5. Are there any real-world applications of the fuel paradox?

Yes, the fuel paradox has real-world applications in space travel and satellite communication. By understanding the paradox and using Einstein's theory of relativity, we can design spacecraft and satellite systems that are more efficient and require less fuel. This can save time, money, and resources in the exploration and utilization of space.

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