Related rates - ladder sliding down a wall physics question

In summary, the conversation discusses a scenario where a ladder is sliding down a wall at a constant rate and the question of what happens when it strikes the ground. The Pythagorean theorem is used to find the equation for the speed of the head of the ladder, which seems to approach infinity as it reaches the ground. However, the speaker points out that this model may not be applicable in real life as it is impossible for a ladder to slide down a wall with a constant speed.
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Hopefully I posted this in the right place.

The setup is standard - A ladder 10 ft long rests against a vertical wall. The bottom of the ladder slides away from the wall at a rate of 1 ft/sec. If we let y be the vertical distance and x the horizontal distance, we use the Pythagorean theorem to get

x^2+y^2 = 100,

so

dy/dt = -x/y dx/dt,

i.e.,

dy/dt = -x/y (since dx/dt=1)

My question is this. What is the speed of the head of the ladder (the part sliding down the wall) as it strikes the ground? Calculus texts never seem to look at this situation - they always ask something benign like the speed of the head of the ladder when x=4 or something.

The equation is staring us in the face, and it seems to indicate that the speed goes to...infinity?! (as the head of the ladder moves towards the ground, x goes to 10 and y goes to 0.)

And since momentum is mass times velocity, the head of the ladder (constant mass) has arbitrarily large momentum in the vertical direction in the moments just before it strikes the ground?

Is this right? What is going on here?
 
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Your model does not apply in that case: it is impossible for a ladder to slide down the wall with the foot of the ladder moving at a constant speed.
 
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n/m, got it. Thanks.
 

1. How does the length of the ladder affect the rate at which it slides down the wall?

The length of the ladder does not directly affect the rate at which it slides down the wall. The rate is determined by the initial height of the ladder, the angle at which it is leaning against the wall, and the acceleration due to gravity.

2. What is the equation used to solve for the rate of change in this scenario?

The equation used to solve for the rate of change is the Pythagorean theorem, which states that the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides. In this case, the hypotenuse represents the length of the ladder, and the other two sides represent the distance the ladder slides down the wall and the distance it moves away from the wall.

3. How does the weight of the ladder affect the rate of change?

The weight of the ladder does not directly affect the rate of change. However, a heavier ladder may require more force to keep it from slipping, which could affect the angle at which it leans against the wall and therefore the rate at which it slides down.

4. What other factors can influence the rate of change in this scenario?

Other factors that may influence the rate of change include the surface of the wall and the ground, the friction between the ladder and the wall, and any external forces acting on the ladder.

5. Can this concept be applied to other real-life scenarios?

Yes, the concept of related rates can be applied to a variety of real-life scenarios involving changing quantities and their rates of change. Some examples include the rate at which a balloon deflates, the rate at which a population grows, and the rate at which a car's speed changes as it accelerates or decelerates.

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