Related rates question involving volume of cone

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The problem involves related rates concerning the volume of a conical pile of sand, with a specific relationship between the height and the base diameter of the cone. Participants are tasked with determining how fast the radius of the cone is changing when the height is 4 m.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for the volume of a cone and question its application, particularly regarding the relationship between height and radius. There are attempts to differentiate the volume with respect to time and concerns about mislabeling variables and constants.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on ensuring the correct application of the volume formula and the need to account for the changing height of the cone in relation to the radius. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the differentiation process and the relationships between the variables.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the correct formula for the volume of a cone and the implications of the height not being constant. Participants are also considering the units involved in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Sand falls from a conveyor belt at the rate of 10m^3/min onto the top of a conical pile. The height of the pile is always 3/8ths of the base diameter.

How fast is the radius changing when the pile is 4 m high? 3. The Attempt at a Solution

V = pir^2 (4/3) -- volume of a cone

dv/dt = (4pi/3)(2r)(dr/dt)
10 = (4pi/3)(2)(16/3)(dr/dt)
10 = (128pi/9)(dr/dt)
dr/dt = 0.224


The answer is 0.1119 m/sec. What am I doing wrong?
 
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needingtoknow said:

Homework Statement



Sand falls from a conveyor belt at the rate of 10m^3/min onto the top of a conical pile. The height of the pile is always 3/8ths of the base diameter.

How fast is the radius changing when the pile is 4 m high?3. The Attempt at a Solution

V = pir^2 (4/3) -- volume of a cone

You might want to confirm this formula for the volume of a cone. Remember, volume has units of L3, and there are units of L2 here. There is also no accounting for the height of the cone in this formula.
 
The formula is correct I just mislabelled it. I meant to say that V = pir^2 (4/3) -- volume of a cone when h = 4.
 
Might be right (I did not check the prefactor), but the height is not constant. It changes together with r. You cannot consider one change and ignore the other one.
 
needingtoknow said:
The formula is correct I just mislabelled it. I meant to say that V = pir^2 (4/3) -- volume of a cone when h = 4.

The volume of a cone is ##V=\frac 1 3 \pi r^2 h##. You must avoid putting in the instantaneous values before you differentiate to get the related rates equation.
 

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