Relating acceleration to distance and time

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The discussion revolves around relating acceleration to distance and time, specifically in the context of a problem involving a distance of 402 meters covered in 5.5 seconds. Participants are exploring the correct formulas and reasoning behind calculating acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use a formula relating acceleration directly to distance and time, leading to confusion with the textbook's approach that involves average velocity. Some participants question the use of average velocity versus change in velocity, while others clarify the distinction between average speed and instantaneous speed.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying misunderstandings about the formulas and concepts involved. Some have recognized mistakes in their reasoning, while others are providing insights into the correct relationships between distance, time, and acceleration. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the difference between average velocity and change in velocity, as well as the implications of assuming constant acceleration from rest. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the textbook's methodology compared to their own calculations.

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Homework Statement
Given distance = 402 metres and time = 5.5 seconds, I need to find acceleration.
Relevant Equations
vˉ= vf/2 = (at)/2
I’m an absolute beginner and I need someone to show me where I’m wrong.

Knowing the formula of acceleration ∆v (change in velocity) / ∆t (change in time) where ∆v = ∆x (distance) / ∆t, a common way of relating acceleration to distance is to say a (acceleration) = (distance/time)/time = distance/time^2.

Given distance = 402 metres and time = 5.5 seconds, I need to find acceleration.

Thus I proceeded by calculating a = 402/5.5^2 = 402/30.25 = 13,28 m/s^2. In the same manner I thought I could calculate velocity = 402/5.5 = 73.09 m/s.

However, my textbook reaches a different answer where I don’t understand the thought process.

My textbook proceeds with the formula

s (displacement) = vˉ (average speed) x t (time)

continuing with the formula

vf (final speed) = a x t

deriving

vˉ= vf/2 = (at)/2

Plugging into the above formula s= vˉt, we reach

s = [(at)/2]t = at^2/2

Only now it proceeds to deriving acceleration from displacement and time:

a = 2s/t^2 = 2x402 m / 5.5s^2 = 27 m/s^2

In short, my attempt was using ∆v while their procedure is using vˉ reaching exactly twice my answer because vˉ= vf/2 where vf = ∆v assuming constant acceleration.

But why do they use average velocity instead of change in velocity if a = distance/time^2?

What am I missing?
 
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golya said:
Homework Statement: Given distance = 402 metres and time = 5.5 seconds, I need to find acceleration.
Relevant Equations: vˉ= vf/2 = (at)/2

I’m an absolute beginner and I need someone to show me where I’m wrong.

Knowing the formula of acceleration ∆v (change in velocity) / ∆t (change in time) where ∆v = ∆x (distance) / ∆t, a common way of relating acceleration to distance is to say a (acceleration) = (distance/time)/time = distance/time^2.
This is not right. Average velocity is displacement/time. Velocity is the derivative of displacement with respect to time:$$v_{avg} = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}$$$$v = \frac{dx}{dt}$$
 
PeroK said:
This is not right. Average velocity is displacement/time. Velocity is the derivative of displacement with respect to time:$$v_{avg} = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}$$$$v = \frac{dx}{dt}$$
He is right because the acceleration is constant and the initial speed is 0
 
I think I understand what happened.

My first mistake: distance/time^2 is NOT actually a formula for acceleration but merely an illustration of why acceleration is measured in terms of m/s^2. Therefore the phrase refers merely to units of measurement and not to a formula.

My second mistake: the formula ∆x/∆t (distance/time) does not yield ∆v (change in speed) but vˉ (average speed). This second mistake was the result of the first one.

Therefore the textbook procedure makes sense.
 
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AlexJicu08 said:
He is right because the acceleration is constant and the initial speed is 0
You're wrong as well. Assuming constant acceleration from rest:$$\Delta x = \frac 1 2 a t^2$$$$a = \frac{2\Delta x}{t^2}$$
 
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PeroK said:
You're wrong as well. Assuming constant acceleration from rest:$$\Delta x = \frac 1 2 a t^2$$$$a = \frac{2\Delta x}{t^2}$$
Thank you!
 
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