Relating displacements in a pulley system

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on relating displacements in a pulley system where a force is applied to one end of a rope, causing a mass to move on the other end. Participants explore the application of energy conservation principles and the relationship between the displacements $dx_1$ and $dx_2$ in the context of this mechanical system.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using energy conservation to relate the displacements, leading to the equation $Tdx_1 = 2Tdx_2 - Mg dx_2$.
  • The same participant explains the left side of their equation as the energy input from pulling the rope, while the right side accounts for the work done against gravity and the tension in the rope.
  • The participant derives a relationship $dx_1 = (2 - \frac{Mg}{T}) dx_2$ and questions whether this can be simplified to $dx_1 = 2dx_2$ based on rope conservation principles.
  • Another participant suggests a formatting issue with inline LaTeX, indicating a potential barrier to clear communication of mathematical expressions.
  • A subsequent reply provides a correction regarding the use of double dollar signs for LaTeX formatting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus on the relationship between the displacements, as one participant questions the validity of their derived equation in relation to the conservation of rope, indicating a lack of agreement on the conceptual understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the assumptions regarding the forces involved, the role of tension, or the conditions under which the derived equations hold true. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the proper formatting for mathematical expressions.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in mechanical systems, energy conservation principles, and the mathematical modeling of pulley systems may find this discussion relevant.

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> The set up: At left end, the rope is pulled down with a distance $dx_1$ by a force of constant magnitude $F$, the mass of $M$ is wrapping around by rope on the right and moves up by a distance $dx_2$ due to this. Problem: Find relate the two displacements.

I thought of applying energy conservation, we put in energy $Tdx_1$ into the system and we add up the energy induced on the rest of the system. Noting that $F=T$,

$$Tdx_1= 2Tdx_2 - Mg dx_2$$

**Explanation for left side** : We input an energy of $F \cdot dx_1$ when we pull the rope by$dx_1$ with force $F$, since $F=T$, the energy is just $T dx_1$

**Explanation for right side :** The mass is pulled up by $dx_2$, this goes into kinetic energy of the body, this kinetic energy can be written using the work energy theorem as the external forces dotted with $dx_2$, $(2T-mg) \hat{j} \cdot (dx_2 \hat{j})= (2T- mg) dx_2$

This simplifies to:

$$ dx_1 = (2- \frac{Mg}{T} ) dx_2 \tag{1}$$
But, if we go by the differential conservation of rope, we find that $dx_1 = 2 dx_2$ is it possible to simplfy eqtn (1) into this, or have I done something conceptually wrong?
 

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Not sure why inline latex is not working..
 
You need to use double $ sign.
$$F=T$$
 
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