Relating Einstein Tensor to Reality

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between mathematical constructs in General Relativity (GR), specifically curvature tensors, and their physical interpretations. Participants explore how to connect theoretical calculations with physical concepts, particularly in the context of visualizing curvature around spherical bodies.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand how curvature tensors relate to physical space and seeks guidance on visualizing curvature around a spherical body using the Einstein Tensor.
  • Another participant references MTW's "Gravitation" for insights into the physical significance of curvature tensors and introduces the concept of the Newtonian Tidal tensor as a way to understand gravitational forces and their relation to curvature.
  • The connection between the Riemann tensor and the Newtonian tidal tensor is mentioned, suggesting that the components of the tidal tensor represent relative tidal acceleration based on distance.
  • A participant suggests consulting Ray D'Inverno's book for a detailed derivation of the vacuum field equations, implying a focus on the physics behind the mathematics discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to share an interest in linking mathematical concepts to physical interpretations, but there is no consensus on specific methods or interpretations of the curvature tensors. The discussion remains exploratory and unresolved regarding the best approach to visualize curvature.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions or definitions related to the curvature tensors and their physical implications. The exploration of visual representation techniques remains open-ended.

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Hi,

So I have taken a math course dealing with the mathematics behind GR. In it I learnd how to calculate many of the objects that GR deals with such as curvature tensors, geodesics and so on. However, not much physical explanation into how these object tie into gravity was discussed (due to time constraints) and the emphasis was in calculation rather than the theory behind.

So now i am trying to tie in the theory with what i can calculate using a metric.

I was wondering if i could get an explanation on how to relate these curvature tenors back to physical space. For example, say I wanted to create a program that plots the amount of curvature around a spherical body using a colour scheme (darker = more curvature) what would I use to do this as far as the "tools" avaliable such as the tensors in the Einstein Tensor?

thanks
 
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MTW's gravitation has some good explanations of the physical significance of the curvature tensor. But I'll try to write a short post about it

Suppose you have Newtonian gravity, with some potential function V. Then you can think of the gravitational force as being [itex]\nabla_a V[/itex].

There is a second rank tensor, that's called the Newtonian Tidal tensor, giving by the covariant derivative of the above force, i.e. [itex]\nabla_b \nabla_a V[/itex]

Using different notation, there's a wiki article about the tidal tensor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_tensor

The tidal tensor can be thought of as many ways, one way is that its components give the relative tidal acceleration as a function of distance.

The connection between the Riemann tensor R and the Newtonian tidal tensor, which we will call E, is that

R_ptqt = E_pq

Furthermore, the Geodesic equation tells us that the tidal tensor is a map from the distance between geodesics that are initially parallel (and hence have zero relative velocity) to the acceleration between the worldlines of two particles following the geodesics.
 
Thanks this look very interesting.
 
If you want a detailed derivation of the vacuum field equations (as outlined by pervect)...i.e physics...see Ray D'Inverno's book - pages 134 to 142.
 

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