Relating Electric Field and Voltage in an Insulating Sphere

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric potential V as a function of distance r for a uniformly charged insulating sphere with radius R. The electric field expressions for regions inside and outside the sphere are provided, and the original poster seeks to derive the potential from these expressions, assuming V = 0 at infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster has successfully derived the potential for r > R but is struggling with the integration for r < R. They express confusion about the origin of certain terms in the expected answer and the integration process itself.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various integration techniques and discussing the continuity of the potential function at r = R. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration limits and the relationship between electric field and potential, but no consensus has been reached on the specific integration approach for r < R.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's limited familiarity with certain mathematical notations, which may affect their understanding of the problem. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the derivation of specific terms in the potential expression.

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Homework Statement



Positive electric charge Q is distributed uniformly throughout the volume of an insulating sphere with radius R. From the expression for E=kQ/r^2 for r>R and E=kQr/R^3 for r<R, find the expression for the electric potential V as a function of r both inside and outside the uniformly charged sphere. Assume that V = 0 at infinity.

k=1/(4*π*ε0)


Homework Equations


[tex]\int_A^B\vec{E}\cdot\mathrm{d}\vec{r} = V(A) - V(B)[/tex]

2.5. Apparent Answer

(kQ/2R)[3-(r^2)/(R^2)]

Apologies ... I'm not very knowledgeable in tex, but that last part would read r-squared over R-squared.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have already obtained V = kQ/r for r>R. This was a simple antiderivative.
I'm getting really caught up on r<R. I've tried integrating from 0 to r, 0 to R, r to R, and backwards versions of the same. Nothing comes to the answer in 2.5 above. I'm really at a loss for how this integral should be done. I can understand most of it except for the 3 in the second expression; where the heck does it come from? I've seen this answer in a couple of different places, but none of them actually explain it.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.
 
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NeonJay said:

Homework Statement



Positive electric charge Q is distributed uniformly throughout the volume of an insulating sphere with radius R. From the expression for E=kQ/r^2 for r>R and E=kQr/R^3 for r<R, find the expression for the electric potential V as a function of r both inside and outside the uniformly charged sphere. Assume that V = 0 at infinity.

k=1/(4*π*ε0)

Homework Equations


[tex]\int_A^B\vec{E}\cdot\mathrm{d}\vec{r} = V(A) - V(B)[/tex]

2.5. Apparent Answer

(kQ/2R)[3-(r^2)/(R^2)]

Apologies ... I'm not very knowledgeable in tex, but that last part would read r-squared over R-squared.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have already obtained V = kQ/r for r>R. This was a simple antiderivative.
Hello NeonJay. Welcome to PF !

Extend this to r = R, to get V(R) = kQ/R.

Then use [itex]\displaystyle \int_A^B\vec{E}\cdot\mathrm{d}\vec{r} = V(A) - V(B)[/itex] to get V(r) for r < R . To do this, A = R, B = r .
I'm getting really caught up on r<R. I've tried integrating from 0 to r, 0 to R, r to R, and backwards versions of the same. Nothing comes to the answer in 2.5 above. I'm really at a loss for how this integral should be done. I can understand most of it except for the 3 in the second expression; where the heck does it come from? I've seen this answer in a couple of different places, but none of them actually explain it.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.
 
The potential is continuous function, and you know it at r=R. V(R)=kQ/R2 . Integrate from r to R:
[tex]V(r)-V(R)=\int_r^R{\frac{kQ}{R^3}rdr}[/tex]
substitute kQ/R for V(R) and solve for V(r).

ehild
 
I think I get it. I was essentially neglecting part of my equation.

Thanks for the help! It really clears a lot of things up.
 
The equation comes from the definition of the electric potential: a function V(r) of position r so as the negative gradient of V is equal to the electric field intensity.

-V(r)=E.The electric field is conservative so the work done on unit charge between two points A and B does not depend on the path taken.

[tex]\int_A^B{-\nabla V d\vec r}=\int_A^B{\vec Ed\vec r}[/tex]

V dr=dV, the increment of V.

[tex]\int_A^B{-dV}=V(A)-V(B)=\int_A^B{\vec Ed \vec r}[/tex]ehild
 

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