Relationship between cold weather and snow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of snow occurring at temperatures above freezing, particularly in the context of a recent snowfall in the DC metro area. Participants explore the atmospheric conditions that allow snow to form and fall despite higher ground temperatures, considering factors such as air pressure, humidity, and temperature gradients with altitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes experiencing snow at temperatures around 41 degrees F, questioning how snow can occur above freezing and suggesting the influence of a low-pressure system.
  • Another participant explains that air is not uniform, indicating that a layer of cold air above a warmer air mass can lead to snowfall.
  • A different contribution mentions that snowflakes require ice nucleators to form at temperatures above -35C, with a note on the role of bacteria in the hydrological cycle.
  • One participant speculates that a warm air mass at ground level might not melt the snow before it reaches the ground, contributing to the observed snowfall.
  • Another participant references temperature profiles with altitude, suggesting that snow may form in much colder air layers above the warmer ground level.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for a linked article that provides a solid explanation regarding the cooling effects of evaporation versus conduction in maintaining snow formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and share insights, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms that allow snow to fall at temperatures above freezing. Multiple competing views and hypotheses are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various atmospheric conditions and phenomena, but some assumptions and dependencies on specific definitions or conditions remain unresolved.

CosmicEye
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I live in the DC metro area and we recently had snow that lasted all day (none stuck to the roads, booo). But I didnt understand that it was still snowing at well above freezing. I have a digital thermometer outside of my window and it read ~41 degrees F at its highest and never dropped below 32 until around midnight after the snow passed. The %error is only rated at +/- 2 degrees F but will still be above freezing. If I remember right, humidity on weather.com was ~65% as well.

Ive seen this before and even rain when it was in the high 20's. We must have been under a low pressure system which brought all the moisture. Does atm pressure matter that greatly? What causes it to snow above freezing or rain below? I can't think of anything else that I know of that could cause this. Just curious but any help is appreciated.
 
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Air is not monolithic. If you have a layer of cold air overlying a lower-level air mass that is a bit warmer/wetter, you can get some pretty impressive snow-falls.
 
^ that's a cool fact.

Thanks but I don't think the question is quite answered. How does it still snow well above freezing as I witnessed all that day? Maybe a warm air mass at ground level that is small enough to not melt the snow in time before hitting the ground? I am guessing at this point.

If it helps they were the real fat soft snowflakes that looked like baseballs falling from the sky, but it was snow.
 
CosmicEye said:
^ that's a cool fact.

Thanks but I don't think the question is quite answered. How does it still snow well above freezing as I witnessed all that day? Maybe a warm air mass at ground level that is small enough to not melt the snow in time before hitting the ground? I am guessing at this point.

If it helps they were the real fat soft snowflakes that looked like baseballs falling from the sky, but it was snow.
Googling air temperature with altitude brings up a bunch of links (and graphs in pics) that show that you only have to go a few kilometres up for temperature to plummet to -50C. I think you're right in thinking that the snow formed in a much colder layer of air above the warm air on the ground.
 
CosmicEye said:
^ that's a cool fact.

Thanks but I don't think the question is quite answered. How does it still snow well above freezing as I witnessed all that day? Maybe a warm air mass at ground level that is small enough to not melt the snow in time before hitting the ground? I am guessing at this point.

If it helps they were the real fat soft snowflakes that looked like baseballs falling from the sky, but it was snow.

Seems like you're correct, I checked the science bits in the article I knew and it all seemed solid.

http://www.sciencebits.com/SnowAboveFreezing
 
Thanks guys and that a great link with a great explanation. I am good at guessing haha, but I would not have guessed that the greater cooling from evaporation than conduction of heat kept it frozen.
 

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